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--- electrical:12v:mandatory_dcdc [2023/08/31 05:03]
princess_fluffypants [List of popular DC-to-DC chargers]
+++ electrical:12v:mandatory_dcdc [2024/07/15 17:15] (current)
frater_secessus [Is DC-DC charging mandatory?]
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 ====== Is DC-DC charging mandatory? ======
-Death and taxes are mandatory.  Gravity is mandatory.
+Death and taxes are mandatory.  Gravity is mandatory. Are DC-DC chargers mandatory? Ehh...
-In many/most situations, direct-charging the house bank with [[electrical:12v:alternator|a combiner]] (relay, isolator, VSR)  is both effective and inexpensive. Even [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|with lithium banks]].
+In many/most situations, direct-charging the house bank with [[electrical:12v:alternator#combiners|a combiner]] (relay, isolator, VSR)  is both effective and inexpensive. Even [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|with lithium banks]].
-However, more advanced situations may require a **DC-to-DC charger**. These are much more intelligent (and expensive) devices that sit in between the vehicle batteries and the house batteries, and actively adjust both the voltage and current flowing from the vehicle's electrical system and into the house batteries.
+However, **some use cases may require a DC-to-DC charger**. These are much more intelligent (and expensive) devices that sit in between the vehicle batteries and the house batteries, and actively adjust both the voltage and current flowing from the vehicle's electrical system and into the house batteries.
+**Note:** This article is just the TL;DR of DC-DC charger options. [[electrical:12v:b2b|More detailed info is here]].
 ===== Situations where DC-DC is effectively required =====
   * When the vehicle has a smart (variable-voltage) alternator
     * Common on European vehicles, and on American vehicles newer than ~2017
-  * Small alternators vs. ginormous battery banks of any chemistry
+  * Small alternators vs. ginormous battery banks of //any// chemistry
   * Exotic alternator or battery bank voltages, including setups like 24v house bank and 12v alternator (or //vice versa//)
   * If one needs relatively-stable charge rates((direct-charging rates "taper" as bank voltage rises))
   * If you want to impose an arbitrary current limit((0.2C for Gel, 0.4C for lithium, etc))
+  * when the alternator is the only charging source for the lead-chemistry house batteries. In this case DC-DC won't help with [[electrical:12v:charging#absorption_stage|Absorption]] duration((the vehicle is usually not running long enough to fully charge lead-chemistry batteries)) but it can help with Absorption //voltage//.
   * <del>when an influencer says so</del>
   * <del>when Chicken Little claims you need one or the sky will fall</del>
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 ===== Situations where DC-DC is preferable =====
-  * Lead chemistry house batteries when not using solar, and the alternator is [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar#how_solar_helps|the only charging source]]
+  * when the alternator is the sole charging source for LiFePO4.  In this situation DC-DC will deliver more predictable and often faster charging, particularly when the bank is at higher SoC.
-In this case DC-DC won't help with [[electrical:12v:charging#absorption_stage|Absorption]] duration((the vehicle is usually not running long enough to fully charge lead-chemistry batteries fully)) but it can help with Absorption //voltage//.
-===== List of popular DC-to-DC chargers =====
-  * [[https://www.victronenergy.com/dc-dc-converters|Victron]] DC-to-DC converters
-    * More expensive brand, but generally good quality with good customer support/service
-  * [[https://www.renogy.com/battery-chargers/dc-dc-battery-chargers/|Renogy]] DC to DC Chargers
-    * Less expensive brand, but kinda so-so quality and poor after-sale support
-    * //Editors Note:// Quality/support issues aside, I am a huge fan of the [[https://www.renogy.com/dcc50s-12v-50a-dc-dc-on-board-battery-charger-with-mppt/|Renogy DCC50S]]. It combines a 50 amp DC-to-DC charger along with an efficient 50 amp [[electrical:solar:mppt_design|MPPT solar charge controller]] in a single unit. This can take a lot of the complexity out of an electrical system design, and does it for an //extremely// good price. IMO, this one device can probably supply the needs of 90% of most van electrical system builds.
-      * They also sell a smaller 30 amp version, which is good for smaller vans/cars that might not need as much capacity
-  * [[https://www.sterling-power-usa.com/|Sterling Power]]
-    * The largest DC-to-DC chargers on the market, offering up to 200 amp chargers. Some offer nice features like bi-directional charging, and an optional remote control which makes monitoring/configuring the chargers much easier.
-    * Well made, with good customer service and after-sales support.
-    * Expensive, like //really// expensive.

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