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frater_secessus [battery bank capacity] 		food:refrigeration:power [2024/05/09 17:57] (current)
frater_secessus [TL;DR]
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-  * compressor fridges are a part-time load;  as a rule of thumb we can assume the compressor will be running 1/3rd of the time. +  * [[food:refrigeration#compressor_refrigeration|compressor fridges]] are a part-time load;  as a rule of thumb we can assume the compressor will be running 1/3rd of the time. 
-  * but they will consume Wh (Watt-hours) over a 24-hour period +  * they will consume a given number of Wh (Watt-hours) over a 24-hour period 
-  * you must make power to recharge the bank +  * you must have at least enough charging capacity to replace those Wh 
-  * and have enough bank to make it through periods where charging is absent+  * and have enough battery bank capacity to make it through periods where charging is absent
  
  
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 The compressor only runs as needed.  It will run more in hot ambients and less in cool ambients.  Until you observe it in actual conditions we will assume it runs 1/3rd of the time.  The compressor only runs as needed.  It will run more in hot ambients and less in cool ambients.  Until you observe it in actual conditions we will assume it runs 1/3rd of the time. 
  
-60w x 0.33 duty cycle x 24 hours = **480Wh** required each day to run the fridge.  We will use the 480Wh example from here on, and assume this is the only load.  In real life the fridge will be only one part of your [[electrical:12v:dailypowerrequirements|daily power requirements]].+60w x 0.33 duty cycle x 24 hours = **480Wh** required each day to run the fridge.  We will use the 480Wh example from here on, and assume this is the only load.  In real life the fridge will be only one part of your [[electrical:12v:dailypowerrequirements|daily power requirements]].  We also assume the fridge will be run off 12vdc.  If you are running it off an inverter then add ~20% to the Wh requirements to make up for inversion losses.  
  
  
 ===== battery bank capacity ===== ===== battery bank capacity =====
  
-The battery bank capacity is dependent on a few factors:+The battery bank capacity requirement is dependent on a few factors:
  
-  * how deeply the chemistry can be discharged (~50% for lead, ~80% for LiFePO4)+  * how deeply the chemistry can be discharged (~50% for [[electrical:12v:deep_cycle_battery|lead]], ~80% for [[electrical:12v:drop-in_lifepo4|LiFePO4]])
   * nominal voltage (12.0v for lead, 12.8v for LiFePO4)   * nominal voltage (12.0v for lead, 12.8v for LiFePO4)
   * days of "autonomy" (discussed separately)   * days of "autonomy" (discussed separately)
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   * ≥**47Ah of LiFePO4** (480Wh / 0.8 depth of discharge / 12.8v nominal)   * ≥**47Ah of LiFePO4** (480Wh / 0.8 depth of discharge / 12.8v nominal)
  
-In practical terms 100Ah of LFP is cheaper by the Ah than 50Ah, so we would probably round up to 100Ah.  This would allow more aggressive charging and automatically give us another day of autonomy (see below).  +In practical terms 100Ah of LFP is cheaper by the Ah than 50Ah, so we would probably round up to 100Ah.  This would allow more aggressive charging from the alternator((0.4C x 100Ah = 40A)) and automatically give us another day of autonomy (see below).  
 ==== days of autonomy ==== ==== days of autonomy ====
  
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   * fully charging every third day = 141Ah   * fully charging every third day = 141Ah
   * etc   * etc
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 +Many folks will round up from 141Ah of LFP to 200Ah since that is a common size (and even less expensive by the Ah).
 +
  
 Note:  the math is simple with LiFePO4, since it is not affected by [[electrical:12v:psoc|partial states of charge]].  With lead banks larger capacities require stronger charging setups.   Note:  the math is simple with LiFePO4, since it is not affected by [[electrical:12v:psoc|partial states of charge]].  With lead banks larger capacities require stronger charging setups.  
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 The simplest case will be charging LFP from [[electrical:12v:b2b|a DC-DC charger]].  Using a 30A DC-DC as an example, it would take about 1.25 hours (75 minutes) of driving each day to replace 480Wh.  480Wh / [30A x 12.8v]) The simplest case will be charging LFP from [[electrical:12v:b2b|a DC-DC charger]].  Using a 30A DC-DC as an example, it would take about 1.25 hours (75 minutes) of driving each day to replace 480Wh.  480Wh / [30A x 12.8v])
  
-Charging LFP [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|directly from the alternator]] with a combiner works but the time required is not strictly predictable.  It charging current will be highest at low State of Charge and lowest at high SoC;  this is called the "current taper".((the same taper  occurs with lead, but combiner-only charging is not recommended for lead, as the voltage is typically too low)) +Charging LFP [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|directly from the alternator]] with a combiner works but the time required is not strictly predictable.  Charging current will be highest at low State of Charge and lowest at high SoC;  this is called the "current taper".((the same taper  occurs with lead, but combiner-only charging is not recommended for lead, as the voltage is typically too low)) Bonus:  combiners usually make [[electrical:12v:self-jumpstarting|self-jumpstarting]] trivially easy.
  
 Assuming there is enough time (usually 5-6 hours) a lead bank can be charged by DC-DC alone.  The long (and mandatory) Absorption period is the tail that wags the dog.  Assuming there is enough time (usually 5-6 hours) a lead bank can be charged by DC-DC alone.  The long (and mandatory) Absorption period is the tail that wags the dog. 
 +
  
 ==== charging from the ciggy port ==== ==== charging from the ciggy port ====
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 ==== charging from solar ==== ==== charging from solar ====
  
-Charging from solar is predictable((on average)) if one knows where/when one will be camping.  Because December has the lowest insolation in the Northern hemisphere we base our panel requirements on that month.  If you are not full-timing then use the month closest to winter solstice.  +Charging from [[electrical:solar:gentle_intro|solar]] is predictable //on average// if one knows where/when one will be camping.  Because December has the lowest insolation in the Northern hemisphere we base our panel requirements on that month.  If you are not full-timing then use the month closest to winter solstice.  
  
-You will need to [[electrical:solar:pvwatts|calculate how much sun]] (hours of Full Sun Equivalent, aka "kWh/day") is available in your actual wintering spot, but we will use Belle Fourche, South Dakota since it is the geographical center of CONUS.  +You will need to [[electrical:solar:pvwatts|use PVwatts or similar]] to calculate how much sun (hours of Full Sun Equivalent, aka "kWh/day") is available in your actual wintering spot, but we will use Belle Fourche, South Dakota since it is the geographical center of CONUS.  
  
 December in Belle Fourche has only 1.52 hours of FSE.  It would take ~375w of panel((flat-mounted, MPPT controller, LFP bank)) to replace 480Wh year-around. (480Wh / 1.52 hours of FSE / 0.85 overall efficiency) December in Belle Fourche has only 1.52 hours of FSE.  It would take ~375w of panel((flat-mounted, MPPT controller, LFP bank)) to replace 480Wh year-around. (480Wh / 1.52 hours of FSE / 0.85 overall efficiency)
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     Average 1378          Average 1378     
  
-Adding 30mins of 30A DC-DC charging a day would drop the panel requirement to ~236W.  +table based on the PVwatts link above 
 +==== charging from multiple sources ====
  
 +Often [[electrical:12v:power_mix|a mix of charging sources]] yields superior results for less money.  It also offers redundancy in case one charging source is not available.
  
 +Adding 30mins of 30A DC-DC charging a day would drop the panel requirement to ~236W.  This could mean easier mounting, a smaller [[electrical:solar:charge_controller|solar charge controller]], smaller-gauge wiring, etc.  
  
 +And since the solar would be handling higher-voltage / longer duration charging duties one could fall back to a less expensive [[electrical:12v:alternator#combiners|combiner]] for the alternator side. The alternator doing the heavy lifting might mean one could use a less expensive PWM controller. 
  
 +Or one could use [[electrical:12v:b2b#examples_-_combo_with_solar_charge_controller|a combo DC-DC/MPPT controller]] that handles both charging sources in one unit.    Some can also maintain the vehicle's starter battery from solar.  
  
  
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