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frater_secessus [estimating combiner charging] 		electrical:12v:alternator_charging_rates [2023/09/10 13:25] (current)
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-====== How much will by battery charge by alternator? ======+DRAFT 
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 +====== How much will my battery charge by alternator? ======
  
 This should be easy, right? This should be easy, right?
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 We know the time part because we're the ones driving.  But the charge rate part can be hard to predict with any certainty;  this is especially true for combiner ("split charger") charging. We know the time part because we're the ones driving.  But the charge rate part can be hard to predict with any certainty;  this is especially true for combiner ("split charger") charging.
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 ===== TLDR ===== ===== TLDR =====
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-==== estimating DC-DC charging ====+===== estimating DC-DC charging =====
  
-DC-DC charging rates are more predictable because of how they work.  A 20A DC-DC will likely pump 20A into the bank most of the time.    So 3 hours driving x 20A = 60Ah returned to the battery bank.  The price of this predictability (and other features) is... price.  +DC-DC charging rates are more predictable because of how they work.  A 20A DC-DC will likely pump 20A into the bank most of the time.    So 1/2 hour driving x 20A = 10Ah returned to the battery bank.  The price of this predictability (and other features) is... price.  
  
-If you need predictable charging then DC-DC is likely the answer.+If you need predictable charging then DC-DC is likely the answer.  There are [[electrical:12v:alternator#limitations|other scenarios]] where DC-DC is effectively required.
  
-==== estimating combiner charging ====+===== estimating combiner charging =====
  
 This is the tough one.  We know roughly where the charge rate will start out for discharged batteries (≤0.33C) but the taper complicates things.  All the batteries would eventually charge to full((or nearly so)) given enough time, so shorter charging periods are what interest us.  Let's assume a short drive = 30 minutes. This is the tough one.  We know roughly where the charge rate will start out for discharged batteries (≤0.33C) but the taper complicates things.  All the batteries would eventually charge to full((or nearly so)) given enough time, so shorter charging periods are what interest us.  Let's assume a short drive = 30 minutes.
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   * **FLA** taper is steep;  charging current starts at ~0.2C and quickly falls off within seconds or minutes.  Current will likely stabilize around 0.1C by the end of the drive.  So we might use an average of 0.12C for our charge rate when estimating.     * **FLA** taper is steep;  charging current starts at ~0.2C and quickly falls off within seconds or minutes.  Current will likely stabilize around 0.1C by the end of the drive.  So we might use an average of 0.12C for our charge rate when estimating.  
       * 100Ah x .12C = 12A.         * 100Ah x .12C = 12A.  
-      * 0.5hours of driving x 15A = 6Ah replaced. +      * 0.5hours of driving x 12A = 6Ah replaced. 
   * **AGM** taper is more gradual, so charging currrent stays higher on short drives. It might only taper to 0.15C by the end of the drive.  We might use 0.175C as our average rate. 8.75Ah replaced.   * **AGM** taper is more gradual, so charging currrent stays higher on short drives. It might only taper to 0.15C by the end of the drive.  We might use 0.175C as our average rate. 8.75Ah replaced.
   * **Lithium** has an odd taper because the charging voltage curve is not linear.     * **Lithium** has an odd taper because the charging voltage curve is not linear.  
       * in the broad "flat" portion of the voltage curve (20%-80 state of charge) current will likely stabilize around 0.2C.  We could use 0.2C as our average rate.  10Ah replaced.        * in the broad "flat" portion of the voltage curve (20%-80 state of charge) current will likely stabilize around 0.2C.  We could use 0.2C as our average rate.  10Ah replaced. 
  
 +==== in the real world ====
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 +In most installs this variability isn't a major issue:
  
 +  * combiner charging is commonly paired with solar charging (also highly variable!) 
 +  * alternator charging is often a backup or "nice when you can get it" charging source.  Exception:  there are [[electrical:12v:mandatory_solar|scenarios that depend on it]]. 
  
  
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