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--- electrical:12v:mandatory_dcdc [2023/05/08 11:12]
frater_secessus [Is DC-DC charging mandatory]
+++ electrical:12v:mandatory_dcdc [2023/08/31 01:23] (current)
princess_fluffypants [Is DC-DC charging mandatory?]
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-Note this is a companion to the [[electrical:12v:mandatory_solar|Is Solar Mandatory]] article
+Note this is a companion to the [[electrical:12v:mandatory_solar|Is Solar Mandatory?]] article
 ====== Is DC-DC charging mandatory? ======
-Death and taxes are mandatory.  Gravity is mandatory.
+Death and taxes are mandatory.  Gravity is mandatory. Are DC-DC chargers mandatory? Ehh...
+In many/most situations, direct-charging the house bank with [[electrical:12v:alternator#combiners|a combiner]] (relay, isolator, VSR)  is both effective and inexpensive. Even [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|with lithium banks]].
-In many/most situations direct-charging the house bank with [[electrical:12v:alternator|a combiner]] (relay, isolator, VSR)  is both effective and inexpensive. Even [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|with lithium banks]].
+However, some advanced situations may require a **DC-to-DC charger**. These are much more intelligent (and expensive) devices that sit in between the vehicle batteries and the house batteries, and actively adjust both the voltage and current flowing from the vehicle's electrical system and into the house batteries.
-There //are// scenarios where one may want to [[electrical:12v:alternator#disabling_alternator_charging|disable the combiner]].
+**Note:** This article is just the TL;DR of DC-DC charger options. [[electrical:12v:b2b|More detailed info is here]].
-===== situations where DC-DC is effectively required =====
+===== Situations where DC-DC is effectively required =====
-  * small alternators vs. ginormous battery banks of any chemistry
+  * When the vehicle has a smart (variable-voltage) alternator
-  * smart (variable-voltage) alternators, more common in Europe
+    * Common on European vehicles, and on American vehicles newer than ~2017
-  * exotic alternator or battery bank voltages
+  * Small alternators vs. ginormous battery banks of any chemistry
-  * if one needs relatively-stable charge rates((Direct-charging from the alternator with a combiner of some kind tends to start out strongest when battery bank voltage is lowest, and taper as the bank voltage rises; I=V/R. This effect is most noticeable with flooded lead acid batteries and least noticeable with Lithium, at least after reaching the flat middle area of the voltage curve.))
+  * Exotic alternator or battery bank voltages, including setups like 24v house bank and 12v alternator (or //vice versa//)
+  * If one needs relatively-stable charge rates((direct-charging rates "taper" as bank voltage rises))
+  * If you want to impose an arbitrary current limit((0.2C for Gel, 0.4C for lithium, etc))
   * <del>when an influencer says so</del>
   * <del>when Chicken Little claims you need one or the sky will fall</del>
-===== situations where DC-DC is preferable =====
+===== Situations where DC-DC is preferable =====
+  * Lead chemistry house batteries when not using solar, and the alternator is [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar#how_solar_helps|the only charging source]]
-  * lead house bank when alternator is [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar#how_solar_helps|the only charging source]]
+In this case DC-DC won't help with [[electrical:12v:charging#absorption_stage|Absorption]] duration((the vehicle is usually not running long enough to fully charge lead-chemistry batteries)) but it can help with Absorption //voltage//.
-In this case DC-DC won't help with [[electrical:12v:charging#absorption_stage|Absorption]] duration((the vehicle is usually not running long enough to fully charge lead-chemistry batteries fully)) but it can help with Absorption //voltage//.
+===== List of popular DC-to-DC chargers =====
+  * [[https://www.victronenergy.com/dc-dc-converters|Victron]] DC-to-DC converters
+    * More expensive brand, but generally good quality with good customer support/service
+  * [[https://www.renogy.com/battery-chargers/dc-dc-battery-chargers/|Renogy]] DC to DC Chargers
+    * Less expensive, but kinda so-so quality and poor after-sale support
+      * //Editors Note:// Quality/support issues aside, I am a huge fan of the [[https://www.renogy.com/dcc50s-12v-50a-dc-dc-on-board-battery-charger-with-mppt/|Renogy DCC50S]]. It combines a 50 amp DC-to-DC charger along with a highly efficient 50 amp [[electrical:solar:charge_controller|MPPT solar charge controller]] in a single unit. This can take a lot of the complexity out of an electrical system design, and does it for an //extremely// good price.
+        * Weird "gotcha" that isn't documented in any of the manuals; the "Trickle Charge" function that allows the solar panels to charge the vehicle battery //does not// work if the house battery type is Lithium.
+      * IMO, this one device can probably supply the needs of 90% of most van electrical system builds.
+    * They also sell a smaller 30 amp version, which is good for smaller vans/cars that might not need as much capacity
+  * [[https://www.sterling-power-usa.com/|Sterling Power]]
+    * The largest DC-to-DC chargers on the market, offering up to 200 amp chargers. Some offer nice features like bi-directional charging, and an optional remote control which makes monitoring/configuring the chargers much easier.
+    * Well made, with good customer service and after-sales support.
+    * Expensive, like //really// expensive.

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