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electrical:solar:gentle_complexity [2017/11/09 13:32]
frater_secessus
electrical:solar:gentle_complexity [2017/11/09 18:56]
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 This is a collection of illustrations that things are more complex than can be revealed in [[electrical:solar:gentle_intro|a one-page intro]].  Again, drill down for more info. This is a collection of illustrations that things are more complex than can be revealed in [[electrical:solar:gentle_intro|a one-page intro]].  Again, drill down for more info.
  
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 **Solar panel output will almost never be as high as the claimed output.**  In fact it will probably hover around 75% of that number under the best conditions;  this is called "[[electrical:solar:output#panel_temperature|derating]]", or correcting output to actual conditions.  It sounds like fraud but it's not.  A panel's power is expressed as a "nominal" rating like 100W as when tested under //laboratory// conditions.  Since the roof of your van is unlikely to meet those same lab conditions, if you think you need 200W of panel you probably need 250W. **Solar panel output will almost never be as high as the claimed output.**  In fact it will probably hover around 75% of that number under the best conditions;  this is called "[[electrical:solar:output#panel_temperature|derating]]", or correcting output to actual conditions.  It sounds like fraud but it's not.  A panel's power is expressed as a "nominal" rating like 100W as when tested under //laboratory// conditions.  Since the roof of your van is unlikely to meet those same lab conditions, if you think you need 200W of panel you probably need 250W.
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 **[[http://rvwiki.mousetrap.net/doku.php?id=electrical:12v:deep_cycle_battery#agm|AGM]] lead-acid batteries are not well suited to solar-only charging**.  They cost about 2x that of FLA, have less capacity, require vigourous charging and cannot be charged as high in voltage.  They remain popular because people think "$$$ is better" and are loathe to vent their banks. **[[http://rvwiki.mousetrap.net/doku.php?id=electrical:12v:deep_cycle_battery#agm|AGM]] lead-acid batteries are not well suited to solar-only charging**.  They cost about 2x that of FLA, have less capacity, require vigourous charging and cannot be charged as high in voltage.  They remain popular because people think "$$$ is better" and are loathe to vent their banks.
  
 +It is possible (though uncommon) to have **one all-purpose battery for both house and starting**.  This only works when [[electrical:solar:sizing#your_daily_power_needs|daily power requirements]] are quite low((40-50Ah/day)) or when [[electrical:solar:nonessential|opportunity loads]] are agressively utilized.  There are two approaches to such a setup: 
 +  - the premium battery deep-cycling approach as used by Sternwake((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Has-anyone-heard-of-Northstar-AGM-batteries?pid=135811#pid135811)) This requires attention and knowledge. 
 +  - the "make do" [[electrical:solar:shallow_cycling|shallow-cycling]] approach.  This is more suitable for car dwellers and folks on limited resources.
  
  
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