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 ====== Panel:Bank ratio ======
+A common rule of thumb for sizing batteries to solar power relates nominal panel output in Watts to bank capacity in Ah. It is not gospel.  It is not a commandment.  It is a quick heuristic to understand how your system is biased.
-A common rule of thumb for sizing batteries to solar power relates nominal panel output in Watts to bank capacity in Ah.
+===== 1:1 =====
+//1:1// == 200W solar + 200Ah battery bank.
+This is generally considered the minimum, as it can work fine in [[electrical:solar:output|sunny areas]] with light [[electrical:12v:loads|loads]] and shallow [[electrical:depth_of_discharge|depths of discharge]].((10-20% DoD?))  It may not be enough with heavier use, or in the winter when the sun is low and daylight short.  [[electrical:solar:rationing|Power rationing]] may be necessary.
-//1:1// == 200W solar + 200Ah battery bank.  \\
+[[https://mouse.mousetrap.net/blog/2020/07/02/the-problems-with-11-solar-charging/|Working backwards]], fully charging lead-chemistries from 50% [[electrical:depth_of_discharge|DoD]] by 1:1 solar requires  ~8.45hrs of [[electrical:solar:output#insolation_maps|Full Sun Equivalent]] on MPPT [[electrical:solar:charge_controller|controllers]], or ~9.7hrs FSE with PWM. [[https://mouse.mousetrap.net/blog/2020/07/02/the-problems-with-11-solar-charging/|There is nowhere in the continental United States]] that has enough insolation to get the job done with a 1:1 ratio.
-//2:1// == 200W solar + 100Ah of battery. ([[electrical:solar:overpaneling|overpaneling]])
+Workarounds:
-//1:2// == 100W solar + 200Ah of battery. (underpaneling or [[electrical:solar:overbanking|overbanking]])
+  * add [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar|another source of charging]]
+  * use a battery chemistry that charges more efficiently and doesn't mind [[electrical:12v:psoc|PSoC]] (like [[electrical:12v:deep_cycle_battery#lithium_chemistries|lithium]])
+  * fully-charging lead becomes possible with attentive panel tilt, requiring only 5.5hrs on MPPT and 6.4hrs on PWM.
+  * fully-charging lead becomes possible with shallower cycling, like 75%.  This is the equivalent of the 2:1 systems below.
-For solar-only charging 2:1 or even 3:1 is recommmended.
+===== 2:1 overpaneling =====
-For [[electrical:shore_power|shorepower-]] or [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar|alternator-]]augmented charging 1:1 or 1:2 may be sufficient.
+//2:1// == 200W solar + 100Ah of battery.
+This slightly [[electrical:solar:overpaneling|overpaneled]] configuration brings in extra power for heavier loads or for use in areas without much sun.
+Working backwards, successfully fully charging lead-chemistries by 2:1 solar requires about 4.25hrs of Full Sun Equivalent on MPPT, and about 4.85hrs FSE with PWM.
+On average, this would work in Little Rock, San Francisco, Phoenix, Birmingham, Atlanta, New Orleans, Albuquerque, Tulsa, Las Vegas, San Antonio, Houston, Salt Lake City, and Casper Wyoming.  Winters will require power management.
+===== 3:1 overpaneling =====
+//3:1// == 300W solar + 100Ah of battery.
+This significantly overpaneled configuration generally yields an excess of power, useful in rain, low winter sun, overcast conditions, etc.
+'Dwellers in the Pacific Northwest(("Northwet")) may need a 3:1 ratio to meet basic needs.
+Working backwards, successfully fully charging lead-chemistries by 3:1 solar requires about 2.83hrs of Full Sun Equivalent on MPPT, and about 3.25hrs FSE with PWM.
+On //average// this this opens up everything but Canada and Anchorage AK.
+===== 1:2 underpaneling =====
+//1:2// == 100W solar + 200Ah of battery.
+Also known as [[electrical:solar:overbanking|overbanking]]), this configuration can work fine in certain configurations:
+  * solar charging is [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar|augmented with alternator charging]], or [[electrical:converter|shore power charging]], or;
+  * the battery bank is [[electrical:12v:deep_cycle_battery#lithium_chemistries|lithium]] or some other chemistry unaffected by [[electrical:12v:psoc|partial state of charge]].
+Outside the above configurations, underpaneling can contribute to [[electrical:batterycide|battery murder]].
+===== battery health =====
+Different battery types have different charging requirements:
+  * lithium - no minimum, charge at any rate((see [[electrical:12v:drop-in LiFePO4#an_approach_to_greater_longevity|this article]] on gentler charging for longevity)) up to the max
+  * flooded lead-acid:  minimum [[electrical:12v:battery_capacity|C]]/10 (10A per 100ah of capacity)
+    * minimum ratio with MPPT = 1.25w:1ah
+    * minimum ratio with MPPT = 1.5w:1ah((1.44w:1ah, actually))
+  * AGM lead-acid:  minimum [[electrical:12v:battery_capacity|C]]/5 (20A per 100ah of capacity)
+    * minimum ratio with MPPT = 2.5w:1ah
+    * minimum ratio with MPPT = 3w:1ah((2.88w:1Ah))

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