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food:refrigeration [2019/01/25 21:21]
frater_secessus [absorption refrigeration]
food:refrigeration [2023/12/09 11:23] (current)
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 Note that many 'dwellers choose to [[food:no refrigeration|use no refrigeration]] at all. Note that many 'dwellers choose to [[food:no refrigeration|use no refrigeration]] at all.
-===== upright vs chest ===== 
-**Upright fridges** stand up and have a door that opens off the side. 
-  * **Pro** - easier to load and unload for many people.  Fewer "hidden" foodstuffs.  Space above refrigerator remains usable.  
-  * **Con** - items may shift and fall out when the door is opened. Cold air "spills" out when the full-height door opens.   
  
 +----
 +===== Coolers =====
  
-**Chest fridges** lay down like a beer cooler. +  * **Pro** - low cost, low empty weight, zero power consumption and widespread availability. 
-  * **Pro** - Can be filled to capacity.  Items do not fall out.  Possibly better cold retention due to lack of bottom seal and no air "spillage"+  * **Con** - constant need to add frozen material and the requirement to dispose of any melted ice. You lose significant amounts of interior volume due to the space taken up by the cooling material.
-  * **Con** - May have to dig for food.  Space above top door unusable unless placed in a slide-out or similar.   +
- +
-===== using a cooler ===== +
- +
- * **Pro** - low cost, low empty weight, zero power consumption and widespread availability. +
- +
- * **Con** - constant need to add frozen material and the requirement to dispose of any melted ice.+
  
 Tips to make cooler use more effective and simple: Tips to make cooler use more effective and simple:
-  * use block ice rather than cubed ice for more cooling time +  * store your cooler out of direct sunlight and in the coolest place available 
-  * store food in a tub or other container to keep melted ice off it +  * small coolers (L'il Oscar, etc) are often found in thrift stores for few dollars 
-  * if you have regular access to a freezer use bottles full of water that you can refreeze as needed The melted water stays in the bottles although condensation does collect on the outside.  Be sure not to overfill;  the frozen water will need some space to expand+  * ice-free methods 
-  * use a cooler with a drain at the bottom.  This makes cleaning/draining easier and may allow you to reclaim any clean water for washing or other purposes.+    * if you have regular access to a freezer at work or elsewhere rotate blue freezer packs in/out of the freezer and into your cooler.  This removes the ongoing cost of buying ice but requires a number of packs so you can always have them in rotation 
 +    * nearly-filled bottles of water((leaves room for expansion)) are free and work much like the freezer packs above.   
 +    * in any case, having //three// sets in rotation allows each set to be in the freezer for 32 hours (24hrs + 8hr shift) rather than just an 8hr shift
 +  * if using ice 
 +    * block ice will last longer than cubed ice 
 +    * store food in a tub or other container to keep melted ice off it 
 +    * use a cooler with a drain at the bottom.  This makes cleaning/draining easier and may allow you to reclaim any clean water for washing or other purposes
 +    * you may be able to harvest ice from trays or an icemaker at work.  If doing this, remember to leave enough ice for others, refilling ice trays, etc
   * use cold weather to your advantage  (see below)   * use cold weather to your advantage  (see below)
  
-===== using a refrigerator =====+---- 
 +===== Refrigerators =====
 A refrigerator (//refer// or //reefer//) is used to keep items at a given cool temperature, typically <=40F. A refrigerator (//refer// or //reefer//) is used to keep items at a given cool temperature, typically <=40F.
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 Refrigerators give off heat and must be ventilated; ensure any vents exhaust into open area.  Cooling performance may be enhanced by adding fans to move more air across the condenser((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Ventilation-Fan-Vent-ThinkTank-Calling-out-SternWake?pid=87077#pid87077)) and dusting components regularly.((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=199289#pid199289)) Cold retention can be enhanced by adding insulation in the form of foam sheets or insulative covers made for the cooler. Refrigerators give off heat and must be ventilated; ensure any vents exhaust into open area.  Cooling performance may be enhanced by adding fans to move more air across the condenser((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Ventilation-Fan-Vent-ThinkTank-Calling-out-SternWake?pid=87077#pid87077)) and dusting components regularly.((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=199289#pid199289)) Cold retention can be enhanced by adding insulation in the form of foam sheets or insulative covers made for the cooler.
  
  
-==== front vs. top loading ====+==== Front vs. top loading ====
  
-**Front loading** refrigerators are square or tall rectangles shaped like residential refrigerators.  Advantages include: +**Front loading** or "Upright" refrigerators are square or tall rectangles shaped like residential refrigerators.  They stand up and have a door that opens off the side. 
-  * direct access to the contents from a walkway +  * **Pros** 
-  * can use vertical space over the unit without have to build a slide-out+  * Direct access to the contents from a walkway 
 +  * Space above unit remains usable 
 +  * Easier to load and unload for many people.  Fewer "hidden" foodstuffs. 
 +  * **Con** 
 +  * Doors can sometimes swing open in transit. 
 +  * Items may shift and fall out when the door is opened.  
 +  * Cold air "spills" out when the full-height door opens, which has to be re-chilled and leads to higher power consumption. 
  
 **Top loading** refrigerators are usually low rectangles shaped like insulated coolers. **Top loading** refrigerators are usually low rectangles shaped like insulated coolers.
-Advantages include: +  * **Pros** 
-  * items don't fall out when vehicle moves +  * Can be filled to capacity more easily. 
-  * space can be filled more completely +  * No worries about doors swinging open and items falling out when vehicle moves 
-  * cold air doesn't spill out when opening the door, which may reduce power consumption if the door is opened frequently.((http://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215513&postcount=19))+  * More efficient. Better cold retention due to a lack of a bottom seal, and cold air doesn't spill out when opening the door, which may reduce power consumption if the door is opened frequently.((http://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215513&postcount=19)) 
 +  * **Cons** 
 +  * May have to dig for food. Easier for things to get lost/overlooked, or crushed (especially soft fruits). 
 +  * Space above top door unusable unless placed in a slide-out or similar.  
  
  
 +----
 +==== Methods of refrigeration ====
  
  
-==== absorption refrigeration ====+=== Absorption refrigeration ===
  
 +Absorption (ie, propane-powered ammonia cycle) fridges were popular in RVs because they used minimal power to run the ignitor, control board, fans if any. This type of fridge had to to be quite level so the ammonia cycle cooling would work by gravity;  there is no pump.((http://www.doityourselfrv.com/know-rig-level-enough-rv-refrigerator-work-properly/))  Using one out of level could damage the $$$ cooling unit.  
  
-Absorption (ie, propane-powered ammonia cycle) fridges were popular in RVs because they used minimal power to run the ignitorcontrol boardfans if any+These fridges are often called //three way fridges// because they run on propane in the fieldprovide heat for the absorption cycle from 12v while drivingand from shore power when available.  The fridges are very efficient (both propane and 12v controls) on propane, but use a great deal of power to run off electricity
  
-Over the last few years RV refrigerators have been going to 12v or, more commonly, 110v residential style units.  Absorption units are rare in vandwelling setups.+Absorption units are rare in vandwelling setups due to size, expense, and need for exterior venting.
  
 +Over the last few years RV refrigerators have been going to 12v or, more commonly, 110v residential style units.  
  
-==== compressor refrigeration ====+=== Compressor refrigeration ===
  
 [[lifestyle:words_of_wisdom|Words of Wisdom]]: "Check amps drawn [by the compressor fridge] over 24 hours, much more important when boondocking than purchase price." -- John62CT((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Less-expensive-12-volt-fridge-recommendations?pid=294809#pid294809)) [[lifestyle:words_of_wisdom|Words of Wisdom]]: "Check amps drawn [by the compressor fridge] over 24 hours, much more important when boondocking than purchase price." -- John62CT((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Less-expensive-12-volt-fridge-recommendations?pid=294809#pid294809))
  
 12v compressor refrigerators become the standard way to chill food in [[electrical:solar|solar]]-equipped vans.  The main types of compressor fridges common in 'dwelling setups are: 12v compressor refrigerators become the standard way to chill food in [[electrical:solar|solar]]-equipped vans.  The main types of compressor fridges common in 'dwelling setups are:
-  * [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danfoss_Compressors_GmbH|Danfoss]]-style compressor -- Now made by Secop, these compressors have a reputation for quality.  Brands include:+ 
 +  * [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danfoss_Compressors_GmbH|Danfoss]]-style compressor -- Now made by **Secop**, these compressors have a reputation for quality.  Brands include:
      * [[https://goo.gl/RLV9jM|Vitrifrigo]] used by Sternwake((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Ventilation-Fan-Vent-ThinkTank-Calling-out-SternWake?pid=87077#pid87077))      * [[https://goo.gl/RLV9jM|Vitrifrigo]] used by Sternwake((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Ventilation-Fan-Vent-ThinkTank-Calling-out-SternWake?pid=87077#pid87077))
      * [[http://amzn.to/2rNTuiW|ARB]] used by Arctic Cat((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=202485#pid202485))      * [[http://amzn.to/2rNTuiW|ARB]] used by Arctic Cat((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=202485#pid202485))
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      * Indel B 50-liter used by corttt((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=202913#pid202913))      * Indel B 50-liter used by corttt((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=202913#pid202913))
      * Dometic used by Mobilesport((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=199262#pid199262))      * Dometic used by Mobilesport((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=199262#pid199262))
 +    * [[https://amzn.to/3xjrrJt|Iceco VL45]] recommended by doc-ketamine((https://www.reddit.com/r/overlanding/comments/o8orti/newbie_question_on_jackery_bluetti_portable_power/h37nb5r/)).  Measured 85w when compressor is running
 +    * [[https://amzn.to/3jHCrwp|Iceco JP50]] recommended by panchulio.((https://www.reddit.com/r/overlanding/comments/o8orti/newbie_question_on_jackery_bluetti_portable_power/h36aiad/))
 +    * [[https://icecofreezer.com/collections/dual-zone-fridge-freezer|IceCo Dual Zone Series]] recommended by Princess_Fluffypants. Great for people who want capable freezer space
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   * [[http://www.sawafuji.co.jp/english/tech/shindou.html|Sawafuji]]-style compressor -- this compressor has one moving part and is energy efficient with low startup current.((http://www.sawafuji.co.jp/english/tech/shindou.html)) This kind of fridge is least likely to be damaged by rough use in the outback.  Downsides:  initial expense, the oscillating piston can be noisy. Brands include   * [[http://www.sawafuji.co.jp/english/tech/shindou.html|Sawafuji]]-style compressor -- this compressor has one moving part and is energy efficient with low startup current.((http://www.sawafuji.co.jp/english/tech/shindou.html)) This kind of fridge is least likely to be damaged by rough use in the outback.  Downsides:  initial expense, the oscillating piston can be noisy. Brands include
     * Engel used by Luciano151((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=200967#pid200967)) and Arctic Cat((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=202485#pid202485))     * Engel used by Luciano151((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=200967#pid200967)) and Arctic Cat((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=202485#pid202485))
-    * Norcold +    * undertheaxles uses a Engel MT35F, and reports it consumes 12A each day.((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/hgrlex/how_much_energy_do_i_ned_to_run_a_fridgecooler/fw5pt0r/)) 
-  * non-Danfoss-style compressor --     FIXME.  Brands include:+    * Engel MT45 used by goldendinnerplate((https://www.reddit.com/r/overlanding/comments/o8orti/newbie_question_on_jackery_bluetti_portable_power/h39l92r/)) 
 +  
 + 
 +  * non-Danfoss-style compressor brands include:
     * [[http://amzn.to/2rO1sIQ|Grape Solar]] used by bcbullet((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=200523#pid200523))     * [[http://amzn.to/2rO1sIQ|Grape Solar]] used by bcbullet((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=200523#pid200523))
     * [[http://amzn.to/2q923ba|Whynter]] used by towhee((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=200756#pid200756))     * [[http://amzn.to/2q923ba|Whynter]] used by towhee((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Best-Fridge-for-the-Money?pid=200756#pid200756))
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 The Engel MT series (MT35, [[http://amzn.to/2iS7u7W|MT45]]) are reported to have very low current draw due to clever cooling airflow design.((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=28169&pid=355948#pid355948))  The Engel MT series (MT35, [[http://amzn.to/2iS7u7W|MT45]]) are reported to have very low current draw due to clever cooling airflow design.((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=28169&pid=355948#pid355948)) 
-==== Peltier refrigeration ==== 
  
-Peltier cooling doesn't get used much in solar setups because it uses a lot of power and does so 100% of the time.  A typical Peltier cooler might run 4-5A continuously whereas a compressor cooler might run 2A 30% of the time and turn off the rest of the time. +Secessus describes the interior size of the Alpicool 15L (flat lid) version: 
 + 
 +> I store leftovers in pint and quart mason jars, which stand up fine in the [Alpicool] 15L. Longneck beers are slightly too tall. Since glass is heavy and harder to compact for trash removal I buy beer in cans anyhow. 16oz tallboys do fit. <-- the info discerning gentlemen need to know((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/f68tji/lowest_consumption_coolbox/fi3wcav/)) 
 + 
 +=== 120vac Mini-fridge === 
 + 
 +Some have reported good results with inexpensive "dorm" refrigerators, especially when external insulation is added.  
 + 
 +PRO 
 + 
 +  * inexpensive 
 +  * widely available 
 + 
 + 
 +CON 
 + 
 +  * not designed for mobile use 
 +  * typically only available in front-loading 
 +  * typically not optimized for power use 
 +  * typically not well-insulated 
 +  * requires 24/7 [[electrical:inverter|inverter]] use, with inefficiencies while running and parasitic losses while still. 
 + 
 + 
 +Further reading: 
 + 
 +  * [[https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/search?q=dorm+OR+120v+fridge&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all|discussions on /r/vandwellers]] 
 +  * [[https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=site%3Avanlivingforum.com+%22dorm+fridge%22&ia=web|discussions on Vanliving/CRVL]] 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 +=== Peltier refrigeration === 
 + 
 +Peltier cooling doesn't get used much in solar setups because it uses a lot of power and does so 100% of the time.  A typical Peltier cooler might run 4-5A continuously whereas a compressor cooler might run 5A 30% of the time and turn off the rest of the time. The 100% duty cycle issue can be alleviated by wiring in [[https://amzn.to/2WJg4tu|a 12v thermostat]].((assuming it would ever get cold enough to shut off. )) 
 + 
 +This kind of device cools to ~30-40F below ambient, which may not be a problem if the ambient is 80F or less.  For best results avoid putting hot or even warmer-than-ambient items in the cooler.  Use a fan on the item until it is room temp before placing in cooler.  
 + 
 +Most lack thermostats and so can accidentally freeze food if ambient temps are low enough.   
 + 
 +Read the manual before purchase to see how long it can be run at a stretch;  fans are a common failure point when run 24/7.
  
-This kind of device cools to ~30-40F below ambient, which may not be a problem if the ambient is 80F or less. 
  
-=== possible use cases ===+=== Possible use cases ===
  
   * you have a surplus of power: you are hooked up to [[electrical:shore_power|shore power]], have a [[electrical:solar:sizing|large solar install]], or are running your heavy loads on [[electrical:solar:nonessential|an opportunity circuit]].   * you have a surplus of power: you are hooked up to [[electrical:shore_power|shore power]], have a [[electrical:solar:sizing|large solar install]], or are running your heavy loads on [[electrical:solar:nonessential|an opportunity circuit]].
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-===== using nature =====+===== Using nature =====
  
 In low humidity areas with a significant day/night temperature differential you may be able to cool or even freeze cooler packs and water bottles.  Leave them outside overnight and put them back in the cooler in the morning.  In low humidity areas with a significant day/night temperature differential you may be able to cool or even freeze cooler packs and water bottles.  Leave them outside overnight and put them back in the cooler in the morning. 
  
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