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lifestyle:words_of_wisdom [2020/07/08 12:15]
frater_secessus [solar] push batteries around
lifestyle:words_of_wisdom [2024/02/05 20:10] (current)
princess_fluffypants [planning]
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 >"[solar powered A/C is] not a lost cause..  we just seem to be at that frustrating cusp where it's technically possible with current technology, just not easy or cheap." -- thatswhatsup((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=18184&pid=206165#pid206165)) >"[solar powered A/C is] not a lost cause..  we just seem to be at that frustrating cusp where it's technically possible with current technology, just not easy or cheap." -- thatswhatsup((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=18184&pid=206165#pid206165))
  
 +> Running AC on [an inverter] is rich man's game -- HaldorEE((https://diysolarforum.com/threads/anyone-running-a-ac-unit-from-a-modified-sinewave-inverter.19723/post-229971))
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 +===== alternator charging =====
 +
 +
 +> With a few basic design considerations, and an alternator design newer than 25 years old, a direct charging system [for LiFePO4]can be safe, effective, and provide significant benefits. - midwestdrifter((https://sprinter-source.com/forums/index.php?threads/104691/post-1111327))
 ===== batteries ===== ===== batteries =====
 +
 +> "Think of the batteries as a bucket of electricity. It's possible to pour water from multiple sources into a bucket at the same time, and also to do that while water is leaking out of the bucket." -- MarkSF((https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/multiple-sources-of-dc-voltage-being-fed-to-battery-bank-246008.html#post3335865))
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 +
 > “Three stage chargers are easier on your batteries, charge them faster, fuller and help you use less water." -- handybob((https://handybobsolar.wordpress.com/the-rv-battery-charging-puzzle-2/)) > “Three stage chargers are easier on your batteries, charge them faster, fuller and help you use less water." -- handybob((https://handybobsolar.wordpress.com/the-rv-battery-charging-puzzle-2/))
  
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 > > Charging lead acid batteries is not something that you decide to do, or start or stop. The old statement, "I need to idle the engine for a few minutes to "top off" the batteries." is a prescription for turning expensive batteries into paper weights. You want a system that puts the batteries on charge automatically, every time there is even a single ray of sun or that your engine is running -- DiploStrat((https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/dual-battery-system-with-ctek-d250-not-charging-battery-over-12-volts.174927/post-2342346)) > > Charging lead acid batteries is not something that you decide to do, or start or stop. The old statement, "I need to idle the engine for a few minutes to "top off" the batteries." is a prescription for turning expensive batteries into paper weights. You want a system that puts the batteries on charge automatically, every time there is even a single ray of sun or that your engine is running -- DiploStrat((https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/dual-battery-system-with-ctek-d250-not-charging-battery-over-12-volts.174927/post-2342346))
 +
 +> The bottom line is that current simply flows where it is needed, batteries will take what they need when batteries are combined, and the voltage becomes equal among the new combined bank. Unless your charger, alternator or solar/wind system is pumping out an incorrect voltage for you bank you will not over charge using an ACR.  - mainesail((https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/agm-battery-failure-two-sets-in-two-years-239438-7.html#post3229546))
 +
 +> Bulk charging requires //current//. Absorption requires //relatively high voltage// and //time at that voltage//. - secessus
 +
 +> [lead-chemistry] Batteries must be mildly overcharged often to minimize sulfation spotting. It really turns out to be a race between the disease or the cure, and if mildly overcharged, the cure wins 99% of the time. The "disease" in this case being excessive shedding of positive plate material. The cure being a mild overcharge. - MexicoWanderer((https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/25945538/print/true.cfm))
 +
 +> Pricing of lithium-ion batteries is slowly changing from obscenely expensive to only moderately unaffordable... -- Rob Beckers((https://www.solacity.com/how-to-keep-lifepo4-lithium-ion-batteries-happy/))
 +
 +> Bottom line, stay within the [LiFePO4] manufacturer recommended specs, and you should be fine, go beyond that (more conservative) and you should be extra fine. -- [[https://diysolarforum.com/threads/sok-206ah-battery-concerns.32368/post-397575|Dzl]]
 +
 +> Battery banks with multiple parallel batteries can live a long life **if they spend a lot of time in float** in order to balance with each other.  Battery banks with multiple parallel batteries that have a deep daily DOD and spend very little time in float will die young with big imbalances between strings.  Battery banks with multiple parallel batteries that get cycled deeply, but also spend a lot of time in float – will be fine. -- Marc Kurth((https://forum.solar-electric.com/discussion/comment/420834#Comment_420834))
 +
 +> Adding more battery capacity is akin to opening a new bank account without increasing your income. - Peter_n_Margaret((https://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/battery-bank-and-charger-recommendations.241565/post-3143139))
 ===== consumer culture ===== ===== consumer culture =====
 > "It's so weird, isn't it? We buy the bills of goods society tells us, we work hard, we save, pay our taxes, be good solid citizens; but as we age we look around ourselves and wonder why we did it, to what end. " - Queen((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-My-long-lost-community?pid=295058#pid295058)) > "It's so weird, isn't it? We buy the bills of goods society tells us, we work hard, we save, pay our taxes, be good solid citizens; but as we age we look around ourselves and wonder why we did it, to what end. " - Queen((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-My-long-lost-community?pid=295058#pid295058))
  
 > "Intentionally reducing consumption is confusing and subversive..." -- John61CT((https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Echeaprvliving%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D33048&share_tid=33048&share_fid=70271&share_type=t)) > "Intentionally reducing consumption is confusing and subversive..." -- John61CT((https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Echeaprvliving%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ftid%3D33048&share_tid=33048&share_fid=70271&share_type=t))
 +
 +===== cooking =====
 +
 +> ....the solar oven is a very good mimic of a crock pot slow cooker - Bob Wells((https://www.cheaprvliving.com/cooking-solar-oven/))
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 +> A microwave oven is rated for 'cooking power', which is always less than the UL rating of wattage on the label. - tx2sturgis((https://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=27456&pid=345707#pid345707))
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 +> Spend the next month at home practicing. Only cook meals that you'll be able to cook on the road. Limit yourself to the cookware you'll have. If you have to ask, I suspect cooking with these limitations is new to you. Best to learn at home so you're prepared. It'll also help you identify cookware essentials. See how much you can do with limited pots/pans/utensils and no appliances. Get used to living without a fridge and microwave for leftovers. It's a steep learning curve. You can make great food on the road with those limitations, but if you're not prepared, you'll come to dread dinnertime. - jimheim((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/13zaeal/food_ideas/jmrfl1k/))
 ===== dogs ===== ===== dogs =====
 > Home is where your dog is. -- Jora((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=27510&pid=347548#pid347548)) > Home is where your dog is. -- Jora((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=27510&pid=347548#pid347548))
  
  
 +===== fantasy =====
 +
 +
 +
 +> There is a famous saying that "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" A vanlife corallary is "//few vanlife dreams survive first contact with math//" -secessus((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/hzzl2q/can_i_fit_a_shower_in_a_mwb_transit_like_this_i/fzmysnj/))
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 +> vandwelling won't solve any issues that lie between your own ears. Van life is just life, in a van. It's not a magical cure for "life" -- lennyflank((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/16c65hs/having_an_incredibly_hard_time_pulling_the/jziphnz/))
 +
 +> The road to vandwelling is paved with the shards of crushed and broken dreams. It is a lifestyle that chews the fantasy-prone up and spits them out. Watching it happen all the damn time gets disheartening after a while... But, sadly, some people just HAVE to piss on the electric fence for themselves.((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/1747oif/ive_officially_gone_full_time_start_your_timer/k48itz8/))
 ===== forums ===== ===== forums =====
 > I need to remember to stay on topic. It's like laying sod, "green side up, green side up..." --  dusty98((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=12834&pid=135542#pid135542)) > I need to remember to stay on topic. It's like laying sod, "green side up, green side up..." --  dusty98((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=12834&pid=135542#pid135542))
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 > There is little doubt in my mind that it is possible to live the RV life on the income that you propose. On the other hand, the real question should be, "Can we live the fulltime RV life on $X/year." Almost as important is the question, if we do choose to do this, will we be able to enjoy our life while doing so? - Kirk W((http://www.rvnetwork.com/topic/103473-anyone-full-timing-on-25000-a-year/?do=findComment&comment=601250)) > There is little doubt in my mind that it is possible to live the RV life on the income that you propose. On the other hand, the real question should be, "Can we live the fulltime RV life on $X/year." Almost as important is the question, if we do choose to do this, will we be able to enjoy our life while doing so? - Kirk W((http://www.rvnetwork.com/topic/103473-anyone-full-timing-on-25000-a-year/?do=findComment&comment=601250))
 +
 +> patience is one of the key foundations of frugality -- Kaylee_Fawkes((https://www.reddit.com/r/Frugal/comments/vjbtbr/need_some_frugal_tips/idl2alj/))
 ===== getting started ===== ===== getting started =====
 > "I'd be leaving planning mode behind and get into doing mode ASAP" - rvpopeye((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-The-Value-of-Time?pid=182596#pid182596)) > "I'd be leaving planning mode behind and get into doing mode ASAP" - rvpopeye((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-The-Value-of-Time?pid=182596#pid182596))
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 > Vanlife is just camping/glamping perpetually. -- tatertom((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/ehktbg/weekly_rvandwellers_weekly_adventure_discussion/fntke0i/)) > Vanlife is just camping/glamping perpetually. -- tatertom((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/ehktbg/weekly_rvandwellers_weekly_adventure_discussion/fntke0i/))
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 +> In general, people should FIRST aim for a realistic goal, achieve it, then systematically improve on it, while accepting that 100% perfection/efficiency does not Occur In Nature. -- [[http://pitafree.com/users/kaylee/|Kaylee]]((in personal correspondence))
 +
 +> Having a van doesn’t make you a different person... -- myPCisCursed((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/omhy1v/to_vanlife_or_not_to_vanlife/h5ljb93/))
 +
 +> I would recommend starting with downsizing your material possessions.  -- undeadtech((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/omhy1v/to_vanlife_or_not_to_vanlife/h5liho2/))
 +
 +> Spend more on the van, spend less on the build.  You'll have more fun in a reliable van with a spartan interior than on a fancy build-out that's broken down on the side of the freeway.  -- Princess_Fluffypants
 +
 +===== helping others =====
 +
 +> My boot camp means you show up with the tools you want to learn how to use safely and with some degree of control and I will show you how to use them. I am not going to work on your builds or even design them for you. I am not a lady of leisure....  I will empower you just enough to pick up the tools and get some work done. - maki2((https://vanlivingforum.com/threads/being-a-nomad-woman-without-a-man-to-help.44002/post-545508))
 ===== inverters ===== ===== inverters =====
  
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 > If your everyday life, work, hobbies, etc, are fun then moving from an apartment to a van will continue the fun. If your life sucks, relocating won't fix it. In a van you still have to get groceries, shave, brush your teeth and all the other stuff you do every day. The difference is that you fit into 50 square feet instead of 500 and save some on rent.  -- TreborEnglish((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/ehktbg/weekly_rvandwellers_weekly_adventure_discussion/fnpkegy/)) > If your everyday life, work, hobbies, etc, are fun then moving from an apartment to a van will continue the fun. If your life sucks, relocating won't fix it. In a van you still have to get groceries, shave, brush your teeth and all the other stuff you do every day. The difference is that you fit into 50 square feet instead of 500 and save some on rent.  -- TreborEnglish((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/ehktbg/weekly_rvandwellers_weekly_adventure_discussion/fnpkegy/))
 +
 +> That's a lot of money though to throw at something you're having a hard time fully understanding. -- elonfutz((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/jklpa5/slightly_complicated_electrical_question/gake0er/))
 +
 +> It always makes me laugh when people idealize vanlife as being "Simple and carefree", because it makes it immediately clear that they've never actually done it. -- Princess_Fluffypants((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/15y1tnh/people_who_have_been_doing_van_life_and_actually/jxbqn9y/)) 
 +===== math =====
 +
 +
 +> If algebra is going to keep you from making a safe build then you should probably not be taking advice from amateurs on a free forum -- LetzterMensch11((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/15sm4ts/youll_need_to_do_some_math/jwf2s3k/))
 +
 +
 ===== minimalism ===== ===== minimalism =====
 > "Downsizing daily." -- Roberta Garrett((http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/25/getting-in-touch-with-nature-staying-in-step-with-the-world/)) > "Downsizing daily." -- Roberta Garrett((http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/25/getting-in-touch-with-nature-staying-in-step-with-the-world/))
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 > The less you 'need' the easier your van life will be. - mcchairmaster((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/c5ydkz/how_much_of_a_budget_do_i_need_for_my_solar_needs/es7pnf7/)) > The less you 'need' the easier your van life will be. - mcchairmaster((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/c5ydkz/how_much_of_a_budget_do_i_need_for_my_solar_needs/es7pnf7/))
 +
 +> If you're going to live as a nomad, you have to be willing to give up materialism and sentiment; you can't carry everything with you. -- cajunwolf((https://vanlivingforum.com/threads/all-in-one-inverter-charge-controllers.46182/post-571072))
  
 ===== planning ===== ===== planning =====
 > "...slow may be better in the end, because the most important time is the thinking time, and that's best not rushed." -- MsNomer((http://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=359474&postcount=6)) > "...slow may be better in the end, because the most important time is the thinking time, and that's best not rushed." -- MsNomer((http://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=359474&postcount=6))
  
 +> Most of these answers have to be provided by you if you want a system that meets your needs. You can't just hand this off without knowing what you want - vanprof((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/xc9doz/worried_about_electrical/io5aer7/))
  
 +> The biggest problem you're going to encounter is that very little will go according to plan. You'll think you're going to accomplish a task in one way . . . then you'll get halfway through, realize it won't work at all, and have to start over completely from scratch. Probably multiple times. - Princess_Fluffypants((https://www.reddit.com/r/VanLife/comments/1ajr4dt/full_time_vs_parttimeweekender/kp3qbq7/))
 ===== procrastination ===== ===== procrastination =====
  
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 > "The most important thing is to be careful, esp when you’re alone... If you can’t recognize danger when you see it, this is not the life for you." -- TrainChaser((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-You-re-solo-and-you-die-or-something-major?pid=319157#pid319157)) > "The most important thing is to be careful, esp when you’re alone... If you can’t recognize danger when you see it, this is not the life for you." -- TrainChaser((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-You-re-solo-and-you-die-or-something-major?pid=319157#pid319157))
  
 +> If you see lizards out, then the snakes are out. -- porchlightofdoom((https://www.reddit.com/r/OffGrid/comments/syy6c5/i_have_a_nice_piece_of_land_about_an_hour_away/hy13hxv/)) 
 ===== social media ===== ===== social media =====
  
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 > "...the person draining their batteries to the 50% range regularly would do much better with a 2 watts to 1Ah ratio, or even 3 to 1." -- SternWake((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-How-much-solar-do-I-need?pid=278438#pid278438)) > "...the person draining their batteries to the 50% range regularly would do much better with a 2 watts to 1Ah ratio, or even 3 to 1." -- SternWake((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-How-much-solar-do-I-need?pid=278438#pid278438))
  
-> "The advantage of "too much solar" is rainy day support. Most people use generators for that, but if your sun hours stack up, oversized arrays also works. -- zoneblue((http://forum.solar-electric.com/discussion/comment/272384#Comment_272384))+> "The advantage of "too much solar" is rainy day support. Most people use generators for that, but if your sun hours stack up, oversized arrays also work. -- zoneblue((http://forum.solar-electric.com/discussion/comment/272384#Comment_272384))
  
 > "With a isolator you would run the truck early to get a fair amount of the bulk charging done and let the solar finish it off the rest of the day." -- jimindenver((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=26877&pid=337117#pid337117http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=26877&pid=337117#pid337117)) > "With a isolator you would run the truck early to get a fair amount of the bulk charging done and let the solar finish it off the rest of the day." -- jimindenver((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=26877&pid=337117#pid337117http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=26877&pid=337117#pid337117))
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 > A [ [[electrical:shore_power|shore power]] ] charger is a stiff source with unlimited energy and time. Your solar is a very soft source of unknown power and only a few hours to get the job done.  - sunking((https://www.solarpaneltalk.com/forum/off-grid-solar/batteries-energy-storage/299490-bulk-absorb-float-equalize-what-does-it-mean#post299490)) > A [ [[electrical:shore_power|shore power]] ] charger is a stiff source with unlimited energy and time. Your solar is a very soft source of unknown power and only a few hours to get the job done.  - sunking((https://www.solarpaneltalk.com/forum/off-grid-solar/batteries-energy-storage/299490-bulk-absorb-float-equalize-what-does-it-mean#post299490))
  
-> It's not enoung just to have a panel up there, you have to have enough to push the battery around. -- jimindenver((https://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=20022&pid=229943#pid229943))+> It's not enough just to have a panel up there, you have to have enough to push the battery around. -- jimindenver((https://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=20022&pid=229943#pid229943)) 
 + 
 +> In theory, Imp * Vmp = panel Watts. There's an awful lot in the real world that can affect that. -- Cariboocoot((https://forum.solar-electric.com/discussion/comment/152013#Comment_152013)) 
 + 
 +> It's your money. If it's your choice to blunder through replacing part after part till you finally get a working system, that's fine. -- MichaelK((https://diysolarforum.com/threads/probably-dumbest-question-ever.25936/post-307778)) 
 + 
 +> You have to build for winter, and figure out what to do with the extra electricity in summer. -- timselectric((https://diysolarforum.com/threads/less-than-perfect-off-grid-system.35869/post-450655)) 
 + 
 +> The best thing is to slow down and actually understand what's going on, then decide where you eventually want to take the system and move deliberately in that direction. It's not a "one weird trick" situation -- gertzerlla((https://www.reddit.com/r/SolarDIY/comments/t69jo1/why_wont_my_solar_setup_run_my_fan_for_more_than/hzac9k5/)) 
 + 
 +> Always starts off with small lights, charge a cell phone, then "window-unit AC" or "1500 watt space heater". :) So how much power would it take? LOTS. Get an Kill-o-watt mater and find out the exact number. -- porchlightofdoom((https://www.reddit.com/r/OffGrid/comments/tbd5tz/water_power/i06i80v/)) 
 + 
 + 
 +> “Solar Ready” doesn’t mean sh*t.   It means there is a plug wired to your battery and oh by the way  IT IS WIRED EXACTLY BACKWARDS.  The polarity on the Zamp SAE style connector is reversed.  -- John's Tech Blog((https://www.hagensieker.com/wordpress/2020/01/12/rockwood-a122-two-year-review/)) 
 + 
 +> This is an easy job for a small portable generator, or a very hard job for solar. -- thebemusedmuse((https://www.reddit.com/r/SolarDIY/comments/up8yub/portable_power_larger_than_1600w/i8k5lgc/)) 
 + 
 +> If you're getting 75%+ rated power from an array in clear sky and hot conditions, you're winning. -- sunshine_eggo((https://diysolarforum.com/threads/strange.43674/post-551093)) 
 + 
 +> It only requires a little math, a little discipline to stick with the math, and the right expectations about solar intake. -- CMDR_Schrodinger((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/15z8eh6/energy_management_during_trips/jxfv03f/))  
 + 
 +> ...running the numbers on worst-case scenarios is the only way to ensure you're covered when you need the juice.-- CMDR_Schrodinger((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/15z8eh6/energy_management_during_trips/jxfv03f/))
  
 ===== solitude ===== ===== solitude =====
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 > "the man who … organizes every day as though it were his last, neither longs for nor fears the next day… Nothing can be taken from this life, and you can only add to it" - Seneca > "the man who … organizes every day as though it were his last, neither longs for nor fears the next day… Nothing can be taken from this life, and you can only add to it" - Seneca
 +
 +===== toilet =====
 +
 +> Drink cups never go as low as the floor, pee cups never go above it. -- tatertom((https://www.reddit.com/r/VanLife/comments/16pnq1k/advice_for_starting_out_on_the_road/k1ssfoi/))
 ===== trailering ===== ===== trailering =====
 > "If you are towing and don't know the area, drop the trailer and look around." jimindenver((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-How-important-is-four-wheel-drive-and-ground-clearance?pid=120357#pid120357)) > "If you are towing and don't know the area, drop the trailer and look around." jimindenver((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-How-important-is-four-wheel-drive-and-ground-clearance?pid=120357#pid120357))
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 > In the end, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you are in any way unsure of the way ahead, stop the car and walk the route to determine grade, clearances, and firmness. -- USExplorer((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=20442&pid=236601#pid236601)) > In the end, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you are in any way unsure of the way ahead, stop the car and walk the route to determine grade, clearances, and firmness. -- USExplorer((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=20442&pid=236601#pid236601))
 +
 +> a locker provides the SUM of the two torques, whereas an open diff provides twice the LOWER torque. Therefore a locker offers a very small advantagee when the traction under both wheels is similar, and a great advantage when there is a big difference in traction condtions. - SandyM((https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/north-africa/limited-slip-differentials-in-sand-14066#post62026))
 +
 +> Every person reading this should carry [[https://amzn.to/3gJGcyg|a tow strap]]. - head((https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/o3gh8n/stuck_like_a_beached_whale_good_thing_i_carry_a/h2c8yv6/))
  
 ===== water ===== ===== water =====
 +
 +>"The problem is water..." -- Mark Watney (while stranded on Mars)
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 >"You can live three weeks without food, three days without water, and three minutes without air." -- anonymous >"You can live three weeks without food, three days without water, and three minutes without air." -- anonymous
  
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 >"...you really appreciate every drop of water if you have to schlep it." -- gcal((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Water-Watching-for-Opportunities?pid=299849#pid299849)) >"...you really appreciate every drop of water if you have to schlep it." -- gcal((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Water-Watching-for-Opportunities?pid=299849#pid299849))
  
 +> "You eventually learn to use first ten gallons as carefully as you do the last ten gallons." - wrongway2((https://vanlivingforum.com/threads/where-to-get-drinking-water.46002/post-569440))
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