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===== TLDR ===== | ===== TLDR ===== | ||
- | * self-heated: | + | |
- | * DIY: more control, more charging under certain conditions, usually cheaper | + | * some kind of warming is required before charging |
+ | * self-heated: | ||
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+ | * in practice, warming is combined with other forms of protection: | ||
+ | ===== how the approaches work ===== | ||
+ | **Self-heated batteries** | ||
+ | - sense ~freezing temps | ||
+ | - shut off charging((normal BMS shutoff)) | ||
+ | - allow incoming power only to the internal heaters, typically ~60w | ||
+ | - when cell temps are > | ||
+ | - optional: | ||
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+ | This means //warming only happens when charging is present// | ||
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+ | **DIY warming solutions** | ||
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+ | - use an external temperature controller and temperature probe | ||
+ | - use the lowest-wattage warming mat practical for conditions((for gentlest, most-even heating)) | ||
+ | - and turn the mat on/off with the controller | ||
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+ | This means //warming happens whether or not charging is present// | ||
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===== when it's a wash ===== | ===== when it's a wash ===== | ||
- | With " | + | With " |
- | ===== perfect storm for self-heated | + | ===== when self-heated |
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+ | When you want a packaged solution. | ||
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+ | If you run your bank very low habitually((stop doing that!)) and the warming load is enough to trigger BMS discharge shutdown. | ||
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+ | ===== when DIY warming might be preferable ===== | ||
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+ | ==== robust charging ==== | ||
With robust charging (alternator and/or bigger solar) there can be charging opportunities lost with self-heated batteries in freezing conditions. | With robust charging (alternator and/or bigger solar) there can be charging opportunities lost with self-heated batteries in freezing conditions. | ||
- | Imagine | + | Imagine |
- | * freezing overnights followed by a half-hour drive in the morning with a 30A DC-DC. | + | |
- | * a battery with warming pad that consumed 60Wh overnight to stay above freezing, vs | + | * a battery with warming pad that consumed 60Wh overnight to stay above freezing, vs |
- | * a self-heating battery that is below freezing in the morning | + | * a self-heating battery that is below freezing in the morning |
The externally warmed bank accepts current immediately and takes **15Ah of recharge**. | The externally warmed bank accepts current immediately and takes **15Ah of recharge**. | ||
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With 50A charging it's 260Wh net vs 107Wh net. . | With 50A charging it's 260Wh net vs 107Wh net. . | ||
- | If one was charging by alternator only and only driving to/from work while stealthing in freezing weather it's conceivable the self-heated batt would get *never get charged at all* because it wouldn' | + | If one was charging by alternator only and only driving to/from work while stealthing in freezing weather it's conceivable the self-heated batt would get //never get charged at all// because it wouldn' |
+ | ==== specific configurations ==== | ||
- | ===== perfect storm for DIY warming ===== | + | You may want more control over the temperature setpoints. |
+ | Note from Secessus: | ||
- | You run your bank very low habitually (don't do that) and the warming load is enough to trigger BMS discharge shutdown. | ||
- | ==== how to think about the decision ==== | + | |
+ | ===== how to think about the decision | ||
There is no one-size-fits-all solution but outside cost considerations, | There is no one-size-fits-all solution but outside cost considerations, | ||
* how much charging would I miss out on because the bank is taking only 60w to run the heaters instead of taking everything I can throw at it?; and | * how much charging would I miss out on because the bank is taking only 60w to run the heaters instead of taking everything I can throw at it?; and | ||
- | * how does this compare to the Wh required to keep the bank above freezing when no charging is present? | + | |
- | | + | * do I need greater configurability than the built-in heater allows? |
+ | * do I have the interest or ability to DIY? | ||
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+ | ===== further reading ===== | ||
+ | * [[https:// | ||