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Self-heated vs DIY warming

TLDR

  • LiFePO4 cannot be charged when the cells are below ~freezing.
  • some kind of warming is required before charging
    • self-heated: easier
    • DIY: more control, more charging under certain conditions, usually cheaper

when it's a wash

With “soft” charging like a small solar setup it's a wash. a matter of preference and cost.

perfect storm for self-heated batteries

With robust charging (alternator and/or bigger solar) there can be charging opportunities lost with self-heated batteries in freezing conditions.

Imagine

* freezing overnights followed by a half-hour drive in the morning with a 30A DC-DC. * a battery with warming pad that consumed 60Wh overnight to stay above freezing, vs * a self-heating battery that is below freezing in the morning

The externally warmed bank accepts current immediately and takes 15Ah of recharge. So after recouping the 60Wh used overnight it's net +132Wh.

The self-heated battery shunts 60w to the heater (leaving 10A of charging unused) until the warmth equalizes up to the temp sensors. Let's say this takes 20 minutes. So now we have only 10mins of actual charging and the bank gets 5Ah of recharge, net +64Wh.

With 50A charging it's 260Wh net vs 107Wh net. .

If one was charging by alternator only and only driving to/from work while stealthing in freezing weather it's conceivable the self-heated batt would get *never get charged at all* because it wouldn't have time to get out of the heating phase.

perfect storm for DIY warming

You run your bank very low habitually (don't do that) and the warming load is enough to trigger BMS discharge shutdown.

how to think about the decision

There is no one-size-fits-all solution but outside cost considerations, the essential questions are

  • how much charging would I miss out on because the bank is taking only 60w to run the heaters instead of taking everything I can throw at it?; and
  • how does this compare to the Wh required to keep the bank above freezing when no charging is present?
  • do I need greater configurability than the built-in heater allows?

further reading

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