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--- opinion:frater_secessus:stayinginoneplace [2022/08/07 18:21]
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+++ opinion:frater_secessus:stayinginoneplace [2023/12/02 17:45] (current)
frater_secessus [boondocking and stealth camping]
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 ====== Staying for free in one place ======
-Daydreamers often ask there is somewhere out there they can stay for free indefinitely.  Let's consider the possibilities.
+Hopefuls often ask there is somewhere out there they can stay for free indefinitely.  There are problems with long-term stays in general, even if you do find a place that allows it.
+  * can you handle the different weather seasons in the place?  Most vanfolk [[camping:snowbirding|follow mild weather]] for a reason.
+  * can you source water and dispose of your waste?
+  * can you make your own power, or pay for power when available?
+Assuming that's all covered, let's consider the possibilities.
 ===== slab city =====
-The only real free-for-all is [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_City,_California|Slab City]].  It's not everone's cup of tea and gets unbearably hot in summer.
+The only real unlimited camping is [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_City,_California|Slab City]].  It's not everyone's cup of tea and gets unbearably hot in summer.
+Slabbers police their own and may not suffer fools gladly.
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 It is conceivable there are **friends/family willing to donate a backyard or driveway**.  But if OP had that option they wouldn't be asking the question.
+Note that even if the friend/neighbor allows it the city or neighbors may object.
 ===== commercial options =====
-There are **RV parks** with long-term rates but they cost money.
+There are **RV parks** with long-term rates but they cost money.  Many don't take campervans or anything other than relatively new commercially-built RVs.  Is your [[electrical:shore_power|shore power]] setup already built?
 There are [[camping:ltva|LTVA]] you can stay at for months on end but they cost money.
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-You can [[camping:stealth_camping|stealth camp]] in cities but you will need to be discreet and have many rotating spots.
+You can [[camping:stealth_camping|stealth camp]] in cities but you will need to be discreet and have //many// rotating spots.
 You can [[camping:dispersed|boondock on public lands]], usually in 14-day stretches.
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 ===== buying your own land =====
-Buying land is not free, of course.  And people are amazed to find out that citys/towns/counties often have rules governing what you can do //on your own land//.  [[https://www.google.com/search?q=laws+regarding+living+offgrid+on+your+own+land|Research local laws and codes]] before buying anything.  Shouting "but muh fr33dom!!!" as the the local Powers That Be levy fines and seize your property won't cut it.
+Buying land is not free, of course.  And people are amazed to find out that citys/towns/counties often have rules governing what you can do //on your own land//.  [[https://www.google.com/search?q=laws+regarding+living+offgrid+on+your+own+land|Research local laws and codes]] before buying anything.
+Shouting "but muh fr33dom!!!" won't do much when the local govt levies fines or seizes your property.

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