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rv:eurovan [2017/07/16 10:02]
frater_secessus [cargo/living area comparison] |
rv:eurovan [2022/01/12 22:17]
princess_fluffypants [how people chose their eurovan] |
| The Eurovans' appearance can be polarizing, some in the U.S. market regarding them as weird or ugly looking. High roof models can appear top-heavy. | The Eurovans' appearance can be polarizing, some in the U.S. market regarding them as weird or ugly looking. High roof models can appear top-heavy. |
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| ===== cargo/living area comparison ===== | ===== battery placement ===== |
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| ^Model^Height((at ribs))^Length^Width at belt line^Width between wheelwells^Cargo volume^ | The Sprinter, Transit, and Promaster have the starter battery under the seat or floorboard rather than under the hood. This can make dual-battery ([[electrical:12v:alternator|alternator charging]]) wiring short and simple. |
| |**NV**|75"|120"|70.2"|54"|323.1'((http://www.trucktrend.com/truck-reviews/163-1212-full-size-van-numbers/))| | ===== van comparisons ===== |
| |**Promaster**|76"|123"((136WB)), 144"((159WB)), 160"((159WB Extended)) |**74"**|**56"**|406'((136WB high roof)), 459'((159WB high roof)), 529.7'((159WB Extended high roof))| | |
| |**Sprinter**|77.8"((high roof))|**128.5"**((144WB)), 169.3((170WB, longest non-extended body)), **185.3"**((170WB Extended))|70.1"((http://www.iseecars.com/car/2006-dodge-sprinter-dimensions))|53.1"|371'((144WB high roof)), **494'**((171WB high roof, largest volume non-extended body)), **547'**((171WB Extended high roof))| | |
| |**Transit**|72"((mid roof)), **81.5"**((high roof))|125"((130WB)), 141"((148WB)), 171"((148WB Extended))|70.2((http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/transit/specs/2015/ford-transit/366434))|54.8"((http://www.trucktrend.com/truck-reviews/163-1212-full-size-van-numbers/))|317.3'((130WB medium roof)), 363.9'((148WB medium roof)), 411.4'((148WB high roof)), 496.0'((148WB Extended high roof)) | | |
| |**Express**|52.9"((135WB, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html)), 53.4"((155WB, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))|124.6"((135WB, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html)), 146.2"((155WB, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))|FIXME|52.7"((http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))|239.7'((135", http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html)), FIXME, 284.4'((155WB EXT, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))| | |
| |**E250**|52.5"|122"((138WB, https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf)), 142"((138WB EXT, https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf))||52.5"((https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf))|237.8' ((138WB, https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf)), 278.3"((138WB EXT, https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf))| | |
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| During some model years fleet Sprinters have been available with a fiberglass-reinforced plastic 84" Mega / Super High roof.((https://sprinterguy.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/super-high-mega-roof-and-super-single-option-for-sprinter-vans-questions-and-answers/))((https://sprinter-source.com/wiki/index.php/Sprinter#Body)) There is some concern that the Mega roof may be unsuitable for camping due to an inability to support roof vents, A/C, solar mounts, etc.((http://www.sportsmobileforum.com/forums/f11/really-high-roof-sprinter-van-modification-13340.html#post131992)) A composite roof would also be susceptible to overhead limb damage in forested areas. | |
| ===== off pavement comparison ===== | |
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| The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approach_and_departure_angles|approach and departure angles]] tells you how steep a grade you can drive onto or off without dragging the front or rear end, usually the bumper. Receiver hitches will usually reduce departure angle. | |
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| ^Model^Ground clearance^approach angle^departure angle^turning circle^ | |
| |**NV**|**8.1"**((https://www.edmunds.com/nissan/nv-cargo/2015/van/features-specs/))|17.8°((https://www.edmunds.com/nissan/nv-passenger/2016/van/features-specs/))|16.7°((https://www.edmunds.com/nissan/nv-passenger/2016/van/features-specs/))|45.2'((http://carsort.com/cars/Nissan-NV2500-HD-competitors))| | |
| |**Express 2500**|7.1"((http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html)), 7.7"((3500, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))|°|°|49.2'((135WB, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html)), 54.5'((155WB, http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))| | |
| |**E250**|7.0"|30°((https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/1999/104.pdf))|16°((https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/1999/104.pdf))|48.6'((https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf))| | |
| |**Promaster**|6.9" at rear axle|18.6°|20°|**36'**((136WB, http://www.allpar.com/trucks/ram/ProMaster.html)), **46.8'**((159WB, https://www.edmunds.com/ram/promaster-cargo-van/2015/features-specs/))| | |
| |**Sprinter**|6.9"((http://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/sprinter/specs/2016/mercedes-benz-sprinter/380432))|19°((https://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/sprinter/2013/features-specs/))|13°((https://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/sprinter/2013/features-specs/))|42'((140WB, http://www.trucktrend.com/truck-reviews/163-0501-2004-dodge-sprinter/)), 47'((158WB, http://www.trucktrend.com/truck-reviews/163-0501-2004-dodge-sprinter/))| | |
| |**Transit**|6.0"((RWB)), 6.1"((LWB))((https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_Transit_SB.pdf)) at rear shock mounts.|?|~18°((http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/ford-transit-general-discussion/4018-rear-departure-angle.html#post52570))|39.2'((https://www.edmunds.com/ford/transit-van/2015/features-specs/)), 56.4'((148WB, https://www.edmunds.com/ford/transit-van/2015/features-specs/))| | |
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| ===== capacity comparison ===== | |
| ^Model^fuel tank^ | |
| |**E-250**|**33 gal**((https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf)). Optional aux tap.| | |
| |**Express**|31 gal ((http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/vehicles/express_cargo_van/2016.tab1.html))| | |
| |**NV**|28 gal((https://www.edmunds.com/nissan/nv-passenger/2016/van/features-specs/))| | |
| |**Promaster**|24.0 gal.((https://www.edmunds.com/ram/promaster-cargo-van/2016/features-specs/)). Tapped for aux fuel use.| | |
| |**Sprinter**|26.4 gal.((https://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/sprinter/2013/features-specs/))| | |
| |**Transit**|25.0 gal flex-fuel.((https://www.edmunds.com/ford/transit-van/2017/features-specs/)) Tapped for aux fuel use.| | |
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| ===== total Cost of Ownership comparison ===== | |
| Some calculations of gas Eurovans based on NADA information, originally from [[https://boondockplan.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/total-cost-of-ownership-vans/|this blog post]]. Sprinter left out but Express included; it was not a Eurovan-specific post. | |
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| [[https://boondockplan.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/total-cost-of-ownership-vans/|{{https://boondockplan.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/5ytco.png}}]] | |
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| ===== warranty comparison ===== | |
| ^Model^Basic^Powertrain^Misc^Transferable^Roadside Assistance^Towing to nearest service^ | |
| |**NV**|**5yr/100,000mi**((http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/media/pdf/2016-Nissan-NV-WIB.pdf))|5yr/100,000mi((http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/media/pdf/2016-Nissan-NV-WIB.pdf))|**5yr/unlimited body rust**((http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/media/pdf/2016-Nissan-NV-WIB.pdf))|yes((http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/media/pdf/2016-Nissan-NV-WIB.pdf))|3yr/36,000mi((http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/media/pdf/2016-Nissan-NV-WIB.pdf))|yes((http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/media/pdf/2016-Nissan-NV-WIB.pdf))| | |
| |**Promaster**|3yr/36,000mi|5yr/60,000mi on gas powertrain. 5yr/100,000mi on diesel powertrain.|n/a|Yes((https://www.ramtrucks.com/en/warranty/))|5yr/100,000mi|yes((https://www.ramtrucks.com/shared/pdf/warranty/2016-RAM_ProMaster_Gas_5_60-Generic_Warranty-3rd.pdf))| | |
| |**Sprinter**|3yr/36,000mi|5yr/100,000mi on diesel powertrain.((http://www.mbvans.com/sprinter/owners-resources/warranty-and-maintenance))|5yr/100,000mi on body rust|yes((http://assets.mbvans.com/Mercedes-Benz-Vans/Warranty-Maintenance/MY2016-MB-Sprinter-Service-and-Warranty-Guide.pdf))|3yr/36,000mi|yes((http://assets.mbvans.com/Mercedes-Benz-Vans/Warranty-Maintenance/MY2016-MB-Sprinter-Service-and-Warranty-Guide.pdf))| | |
| |**Transit**|3yr/36,000mi|5yr/60,000mi on gas powertrain. 5yr/100,000mi on diesel powertrain.((http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/brochures/2016-Car-Lt-Truck-Warranty-version-3_frdwa_EN-US_10_2015.pdf))|n/a|Yes((https://www.ramtrucks.com/en/warranty/))|5yr/100,000mi|up to 35mi((http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/brochures/2016-Car-Lt-Truck-Warranty-version-3_frdwa_EN-US_10_2015.pdf))| | |
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| | This section [[rv:cargo_van:comparo|has been moved]]. |
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| ===== how people chose their eurovan ===== | ===== how people chose their eurovan ===== |
| These are not lists of pros/cons. They are stated reasons (correct or otherwise) people gave for purchasing one platform over the others. | These are not lists of pros/cons. They are stated reasons (correct or otherwise) people gave for purchasing one platform over the others. |
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| * **Transit** | * **[[rv:ford_transit|Transit]]** |
| * American made | * American made |
| * nationwide serviceability | * nationwide serviceability |
| * gas engine option (over Sprinter) | * gas engine option (over Sprinter) |
| * ride | * ride |
| | * Factory AWD available |
| * cost and durability (over Sprinter) | * cost and durability (over Sprinter) |
| * MPG (over NV and gas Transits) | * MPG (over NV and gas Transits) |
| * Hatred of FIAT (over Promaster) | * Hatred of FIAT (over Promaster) |
| * ecoboost | * ecoboost |
| * **Promaster** | * **[[rv:ram_promaster|Promaster]]** |
| * availability of conversion accessories | * availability of conversion accessories |
| * interior height (over Transit mid-roof) | * interior height (over Transit mid-roof) |
| * front wheel drive | * front wheel drive |
| * automated manual on diesel version | * automated manual on diesel version |
| * **Sprinter** | * **[[rv:sprinter|Sprinter]]** |
| * factory 4x4 available | * factory AWD available |
| * fit and finish | * fit and finish |
| | * Offers the largest possible interior space (with a 170" wheelbase and extended body) |
| * T1N models can be purchased cheap | * T1N models can be purchased cheap |
| | * Pre-2010 models were extremely reliable |
| | * Pre-2008 diesels were known as half-million-mile engines |
| * options for diesel powered heaters | * options for diesel powered heaters |
| * **NV** | * **[[rv:nv|NV]]** |
| * lowest purchase price | * lowest purchase price |
| * available V8 | * available V8 |
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| | ===== further reading ===== |
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| | We're the Russos has [[https://weretherussos.com/van-chassis-camper-van-conversion/|an excellent article on eurovan pro/con]]. |
