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 ====== Ford Transit ======
-{{https://s3.amazonaws.com/remorainc/angelakrauseford.com/history/transit+cargo/2cffaed201fe06a99e081794fdbf3469x.jpg?200 }}The Transit [[rv:eurovan|eurovan]] has been sold overseas for decades but has only been offered in the US since 2015 as a replacement for the [[rv:ford_e-series|Econoline-series vans]]. It is currently the best-selling van in the US. Compared to the Econoline, the Transit offers noticeable increases in creature comforts, fuel economy, interior space, height, and build quality, with sacrifices made in towing and off-pavement capability. ((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit))
+{{:rv:transit.jpg?nolink&400 |}}The Transit [[rv:eurovan|eurovan]] has been sold overseas for decades but has only been offered in the US since 2015 as a replacement for the [[rv:ford_e-series|Econoline-series vans]]. It is currently the best-selling van in the US. Compared to the Econoline, the Transit offers noticeable increases in creature comforts, fuel economy, interior space, height, and build quality, with sacrifices made in towing and off-pavement capability. ((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit))
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 The stock van offered in North America is RWD, but can be ordered as [[rv:awd|AWD]] from the factory starting with the 2020 model year. It is available in a dual-rear-wheel (DRW) for GVRWs of 9,950lbs and above.
+Beginning in 2023, Ford began offering a "Trail" package for the AWD Transit, which comes with a 2" factory lift and larger tires that combine to offer a 3.5" increased ride height over the standard van. It comes with an electronic speed limit of 81mph.((https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/ford-transit-trail-owners-and-future-buyers-81-mph-limiter.97876/#replies))
 ==== Dimensions ====
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 The stock engine is a naturally aspirated V-6 ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine#3.7_L|3.7L for 2015-2019, 3.5L for 2020+]]), with 3.5L Twin-Turbo Ecoboost and 5cyl diesels available. As of 2022, the diesel is no longer offered and has been replaced with the all-electric E-Transit.
-The Ecoboost engine in all model years of Transits is the Gen1 engine, and does not have the additional enhancements given to the Gen2 engine found in the F-150 and other consumer vehicles. With 400ft/lbs of torque coming in at just 2,500rpm it is surprisingly punchy and easily motivates even the biggest vans.
+The Ecoboost engine in all model years of Transits is the Gen1 engine, not the Gen2 engine found in the F-150. With 400ft/lbs of torque coming in at just 2,500rpm it is surprisingly punchy and easily motivates even the biggest vans.
 Auto-Start-Stop (A.S.S) was mandatory on the engines for 2020-2022, but has been dropped for 2023 due to manufacturing delays and chip shortages.
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 > //The ordering process for a new van from Ford is a byzantine, stupid, frustrating process that is a shining example of why people hate car companies.//
-> First of all, remember that you can't actually buy a van from Ford; you have to buy it from a dealership, who acts as a middle-man between you and Ford. In the olden-days this was a useful thing, but in the modern era dealers serve no real function aside from [[https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/02/12/171814201/episode-435-why-buying-a-car-is-so-awful|needlessly inflating the cost of vehicles]]. But because of this, Ford doesn't need to pay very close attention to their website; Remember that to Ford the website only exists to generate leads and send people to dealerships, where they can (theoretically) place an order. You can't actually buy a van on the website.
+> Remember that you can't actually buy a van from Ford; you have to buy it from a dealership, who acts as a middle-man between you and Ford. In the olden-days this was a useful thing, but in the modern era dealers serve no real function aside from [[https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/02/12/171814201/episode-435-why-buying-a-car-is-so-awful|needlessly inflating the cost of vehicles]]. But because of this, Ford doesn't need to pay very close attention to their website; Remember that to Ford the website only exists to generate leads and send people to dealerships, where they can (theoretically) place an order. You can't actually buy a van on the website.
-> But because Ford sees the website as little more than a fancy brochure, the website is usually hilariously out of date or incorrect. They didn't even update it for the 2023 Transit until //after the ordering window for the Transit had already closed// for the 2023 model year.  Furthermore, the configuration tool is missing almost all the information you really need to make an informed decision on what you're ordering and will frequently let you "build" a van that isn't actually possible to order due to option incompatibilities or part shortages. For example, the website still lets you configure a 2023 Transit with a Power Sliding Door even though Ford has told the dealer network that option is not available for 2023 due to part shortages.
+> But because Ford sees the website as little more than a fancy brochure, the website is usually hilariously out of date or incorrect. They didn't even update it for the 2023 Transit until //after the ordering window for the Transit had already closed// for the 2023 model year.  Furthermore, the configuration tool is missing almost all the information you really need to make an informed decision on what you're ordering and will frequently let you "build" a van that isn't actually possible to order due to option incompatibilities or part shortages.
 > What's worse is that most dealerships aren't particularly knowledgeable about the vans either. The Transit is a very complex vehicle that has more options that almost any other vehicle that Ford makes, and most "salespeople" at dealerships are not hired for their technical knowledge. They exist only to push you into financing and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LLB9CGfLs|undercoating packages]]. If you have deep technical questions that you need answered, your only realistic chance is finding a dealership who specializes in commercial and fleet sales, or selling to upfitters. In reality, I found it far easier to simply ask people on the Ford Transit Owner forums.
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 > Some of these problems are, in no doubt, due to production limitations brought about by the computer ship shortage and exacerbated by the war in Ukraine; the majority of Ford's wiring harnesses were produced in Ukraine.
-> But because of this, do not expect that ordering a van will be a simple or fast process; many buyers for the 2022 model year waited 9+ months after placing thier orders only to be finally told by the dealership that the order had been "Balanced Out"; Ford-speak for "Canceled".
+> But because of this, do not expect that ordering a van will be a simple or fast process; many buyers for the 2022 model year waited 9+ months after placing their orders only to be finally told by the dealership that the order had been "Balanced Out"; Ford-speak for "Canceled".
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 [[https://seventrumpet.com/reset-ford-transit-tpms-tire-pressure-sensor-light/|How to reset the tire pressure monitoring system.]]
+==== Power Sliding Door Repairs ====
+[[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/power-sliding-door-problem.96898/page-2#post-1282217|Experiences on replacing a failed latch]]
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 Owners have reported mixed results with these tire sizes, with some fitting acceptably and some not.  Some owners have reported that the **Toyo Open Country A/T III** or the **Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac** both run slightly narrow, which is advantageous for fitting the DRW rims. [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/drw-tire-sizes-that-fit.19082/|This thread]] and [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/upgrade-tires-on-2015-transit-350-drw.54986/|this other thread]] on the Ford Transit Forums have more information, as well as pictures from owners.
+One of the only aftermarket wheels available for DRW vans is the Method MR901. See [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/falken-wildpeak-at4w-on-transit-drw.98082/|this thread for info and pics]].
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 The AWD Ford Transit cannot be lifted very much. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFWNUXhv3aw|Van Compass has a good technical overview of exactly why]], but the quick answer is that the CV joint of the passenger side front axle is extremely short and will start to bind when it is moved out of its intended range. This can lead to early (and very expensive) [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/2020-ford-transit-awd-lift-kit-question.81988/post-1067274|failures of the passenger side CV joint]]. Even if the joint is okay, there's some speculation that the boot being constantly flexed closer to the limits of its tolerances [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/inner-cv-boot-damage-susceptibility-upgrades-front-axle-diff-lubricants.89489/#post-1171421|may also lead to early failures]]. The best way to lift an AWD van is with a Subframe Drop, as it mostly eliminates the worries over the CV joint/boot.
+Beginning with the 2023 model year, Ford began offering the "Trail" package on the Transit, which comes with a 3.5" lift and larger tires from the factory. It is only available on AWD vans, and adds $10,000 to the base price.
 The RWD Transit offers more options.  There are four different methods of accomplishing a lift, with [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/my-two-cents-on-lift-kits.86177/|varying levels of reliability]].
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 [[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/installing-a-rear-sway-bar-for-a-2021-hr-extended-cargo-van.86568/|Thread with info is here.]]
+[[https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/factory-sway-bar-install.91866/|Another good thread here]]
 ==== 4-wheel-drive ====
--wheel-drive conversions are offered by [[https://quadvan.com/|Quadvan]] or [[https://www.quigley4x4.com/products/ford-transit/|Quigly Vans]]. The Quigly 4WD system has been approved by Ford, and if installed when new Ford will honor the full factory warranty on all non-Quigly components of your van. Expect to pay ~$15,000 to have a stock RWD van converted to 4-wheel-drive.
+-wheel-drive conversions are offered by [[https://quadvan.com/|Quadvan]] or [[https://www.quigley4x4.com/products/ford-transit/|Quigly Vans]] on 2019 and earlier Transits. They cannot be fit to the 2020 and newer vans, as the 10-speed transmission doesn't give enough room for a proper transfer case.
+Expect to pay $15-25,000 to have a stock RWD van converted to 4-wheel-drive.
 ==== Other Modifications ====
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 ===== Quirks =====
-Sections of the van body above the doors (and parts of the chassis) are made from boron steel, which is incredibly strong and nearly impossible to drill into. Unless you have a lot of patience and some very specialized drill bits, it's best to avoid trying to drill into these sections.
+Sections of the van body above the doors (and parts of the chassis) are made from boron steel, which is incredibly strong and difficult to drill into. Unless you have a lot of patience and some very specialized drill bits((Cobalt drill bits are a good start)), it's best to avoid trying to drill into these sections.
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   * The High Roof model is //really freaking tall// at 9'3" in factory spec.
     * This is too tall to fit through most drive throughs. Vans with damages to the front roof line are common due to people smacking them into stuff; make sure to inspect this area very carefully when buying a used van to check for evidence of repairs.
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+  * The Transit Trail (available from 2023 onwards) is electronically speed limited to 81mph
+    * This is due to the factory 3.5" lift and off-road oriented tires.
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   * The vans have a high parasitic draw, Ford claims 50ma but some have measured higher.

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