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electrical:12v:b2b [2024/02/28 17:31] frater_secessus [Eco-Worthy] adventure kings |
electrical:12v:b2b [2024/03/31 14:57] frater_secessus [Renogy] 50%, not 12.5%, wtf |
The DC-DC should be big enough to meet your charging targets given the amount of driving you do and the | The DC-DC should be big enough to meet your charging targets given the amount of driving you do and the |
contributions of [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar|other forms of charging]]. It should be small enough that the [[electrical:12v:alternator_details#current|alternator can provide the power continuously]].((Some DC-DC can be derated in the settings in 5A or 10A increments. IOW, you might run your 50A DC-DC at 35A after observing how the system operates.)) **An oversized DC-DC charger cannot protect the alternator**. | contributions of [[electrical:12v:alt_and_solar|other forms of charging]]. It should be small enough that the [[electrical:12v:alternator_details#current|alternator can provide the power continuously]].((Some DC-DC can be derated in the settings in 5A or 10A increments. IOW, you might run your 50A DC-DC at 35A after observing how the system operates.)) **An oversized DC-DC charger cannot protect the alternator**. |
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| ==== harvest ==== |
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| Ah = Amps x hours. If your DC-DC charges at 20A and you drive for 2.5 hours it can replace 50Ah (20A x 2.5 hours). |
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Note that [[opinion:frater_secessus:charging_faster|bigger is not always better]]; different battery chemistries and capacities accept current at different rates. Buying more charging capacity than the battery wants((or should have for its own good, see Li below)) is a waste of money. Buying more charging capacity than your alternator can deliver constantly can overheat/damage the alternator. | Note that [[opinion:frater_secessus:charging_faster|bigger is not always better]]; different battery chemistries and capacities accept current at different rates. Buying more charging capacity than the battery wants((or should have for its own good, see Li below)) is a waste of money. Buying more charging capacity than your alternator can deliver constantly can overheat/damage the alternator. |
==== Adventure King ==== | ==== Adventure King ==== |
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AK makes [[https://nz.adventurekings.com/lighting-power/dc-to-dc-chargers/kings-25a-dcdc-charger.html|a 25A combo unit]] with a | AK makes [[https://nz.adventurekings.com/lighting-power/dc-to-dc-chargers/kings-25a-dcdc-charger.html|a 25A combo unit]] with a |
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=== solar+alternator behavior === | === solar+alternator behavior === |
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=== starter battery maintenance behavior === | === starter battery maintenance behavior === |
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| no information available |
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==== CTEK D250 series ==== | ==== CTEK D250 series ==== |
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DC-DC chargers in 20A, 40A, and 60A output. Switched on by ignition circuit on the D+ port, low output mode (12.5% of rated current) triggered by 12v on a dedicated terminal. ((https://www.renogy.com/content/RNG-DCC1212-20-BC/DCC1212-204060-Manual.pdf)) DIP switches for battery type, Vabs and Vfloat. [[https://www.renogy.com/content/RNG-DCC1212-20-BC/DCC1212-204060-Manual.pdf|manual]] (pdf) [[https://diysolarforum.com/threads/renogy-dcc1212-dc-dc-charger-teardown.10141/|teardown]] Note: some versions of the manual [[https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/okfkuk/my_batteries_inverter_and_dcdc_charger_came_in_i/h5899bw/|may have a typo]]. | DC-DC chargers in 20A, 40A, and 60A output. Switched on by ignition circuit on the D+ port, low output mode (50% of rated current) triggered by 12v on a dedicated terminal. ((https://www.renogy.com/content/RNG-DCC1212-20-BC/DCC1212-204060-Manual.pdf)) DIP switches for battery type, Vabs and Vfloat. [[https://www.renogy.com/content/RNG-DCC1212-20-BC/DCC1212-204060-Manual.pdf|manual]] (pdf) [[https://diysolarforum.com/threads/renogy-dcc1212-dc-dc-charger-teardown.10141/|teardown]] Note: some versions of the manual [[https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/okfkuk/my_batteries_inverter_and_dcdc_charger_came_in_i/h5899bw/|may have a typo]]. |
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These chargers appear to have a 3 hour absorption duration. This is usually insufficient for lead chemistries, but still longer than the 2 hour duration of the DCC series above. From the manual: | These chargers appear to have a 3 hour absorption duration. This is usually insufficient for lead chemistries, but still longer than the 2 hour duration of the DCC series above. From the manual: |
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Victron makes several DC-DC chargers, some of which are configurable by bluetooth. 12v examples: | Victron makes several DC-DC chargers, some of which are configurable by bluetooth ("Smart" units). |
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| === Orion-Tr === |
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| 12v examples: |
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* Orion-Tr 12|12-20 20A | * Orion-Tr 12|12-20 20A |
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[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICYTJhx2AsI|This YT video]] covers Orion configuration in considerable detail. | [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICYTJhx2AsI|This YT video]] covers Orion configuration in considerable detail. |
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| === OrionXS === |
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| Differences from the -Tr: |
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| * 50A |
| * all models have BT |
| * non-isolated only |
| * adds support for "VE.Smart" networking to receive voltage, temperature and current information from [[https://amzn.to/3TMRYga|BMV]] or [[https://amzn.to/498FnIr|SmartShunt]] (voltage and temp only from a [[https://amzn.to/4aoACf1|Smart BatterySense]] since it has no shunt). |
| * supports low-temp charging disconnect as sensed by one of the above sensors |
| * 4awg terminals |
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| [[https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Orion-XS-12-12-50A-DC-DC-battery-charger-EN.pdf| data sheet]] (pdf) |
==== Bogart ==== | ==== Bogart ==== |
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