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rv:van_issues [2022/07/06 16:05]
princess_fluffypants [Ford E-Series] |
rv:van_issues [2023/02/09 19:25]
princess_fluffypants [Mercedes Sprinter] |
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| * **The 6.0L and 6.4L diesel engines can have problems** | * **The 6.0L and 6.4L diesel engines can have problems** |
| * This is the exception to the line at the beginning of the article that said //"Only a small percentage of failures occur on any particular vehicles"//. The failures rate on these engines is 100% once the vehicles reach 150,000 miles, and they should be avoided no matter how inexpensive they are. //Especially// on vans that have spent a lot of time idling (ambulances), $5,000+ repair bills are a guarantee. | * This is the exception to the line at the beginning of the article that said //"Only a small percentage of failures occur on any particular vehicles"//. [Princess Fluffypants says: "The failures rate on these engines is 100% once the vehicles reach 150,000 miles, and they should be avoided no matter how inexpensive they are. //Especially// on vans that have spent a lot of time idling (ambulances), $5,000+ repair bills are a guarantee."] |
| * The International VT365 (rebadged as Ford 6.0L Powerstroke)(("has the reputation as being the worst diesel engine ever put into a pickup truck". https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/f0jzbt/is_it_a_bad_idea_to_get_a_diesel_van/fgweslt/)) was put into the 2004-2010 model year Ford E-Series vans/chassis. It has the reputation of being [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-0l-is-so-unreliable/|one of the worst engines ever used]] in a commercial vehicle. | * The International VT365 (rebadged as Ford 6.0L Powerstroke)(("has the reputation as being the worst diesel engine ever put into a pickup truck". https://www.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/comments/f0jzbt/is_it_a_bad_idea_to_get_a_diesel_van/fgweslt/)) was put into the 2004-2010 model year Ford E-Series vans/chassis. It has the reputation of being [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-0l-is-so-unreliable/|one of the worst engines ever used]] in a commercial vehicle. |
| * The 6.4L Powerstroke was slightly better than the 6.0, [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-4l-is-so-awful-awful/|but not by much]]. Vehicles using it are considered "throwaways" once they hit 150,000 miles. | * The 6.4L Powerstroke was slightly better than the 6.0, [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-4l-is-so-awful-awful/|but not by much]]. Vehicles using it are considered "throwaways" once they hit 150,000 miles. |
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| * Body rust issues until 2017 (?) - Metallic colors may have received better clearcoat. | * Body rust issues until 2017 (?) - Metallic colors may have received better clearcoat. |
| * 2008+ diesel emissions control: [[https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fatal-flaw-mercedes-benz-sprinters-tom-robertson|the "fatal flaw"]]. Repairs easily run [[https://www.reddit.com/r/VanLife/comments/ews1r4/hit_with_the_most_intense_mechanics_bill/|into the thousands]] See also [[rv:diesel|The Problems with Diesel]]. | * 2008+ diesel emissions control: |
| | * AKA [[https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fatal-flaw-mercedes-benz-sprinters-tom-robertson|the "fatal flaw"]]. |
| | * 2008-2018 model years are particularly problematic due to the location of the components. They are very tightly packed and there isn't much airflow in the area, leading to heat buildup that eventually cooks the DEF tank/heater and exhaust particulate filter. This is made worse when subjected to long periods of idling. |
| | * The tight packaging makes for very difficult to access for repairs/replacement, requiring sometimes dozens of hours of labor. Repair bills can easily run [[https://www.reddit.com/r/VanLife/comments/ews1r4/hit_with_the_most_intense_mechanics_bill/|into the thousands]]. |
| | * For the 2019 model year, the system underwent significant redesign and anecdotal reports have been generally positive, with increase reliability and easier to access components. However it will always be an [[rv:diesel|achilles heel of any modern diesel]]. |
| * fuel injector [[https://sprintergurus.com/fuel-injector-black-death/|"black death"]] | * fuel injector [[https://sprintergurus.com/fuel-injector-black-death/|"black death"]] |
| * T1N: glow plug seizure in cylinder head | * T1N: glow plug seizure in cylinder head |
| Learn more about this vehicle on [[https://www.promasterforum.com/|the Promaster forum]] or the [[rv:ram_promaster|Promaster article]]. | Learn more about this vehicle on [[https://www.promasterforum.com/|the Promaster forum]] or the [[rv:ram_promaster|Promaster article]]. |
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| | * short headlight life (low beam). TSB 08-106-17 says to replace with [[https://amzn.to/2Rp4pys|L0000H7SLL Super Long Life headlamp bulbs]] Also see [[https://www.promasterforum.com/threads/headlamp-adjustment.55922/post-663353|this comment]] about proper alignment in the sockets. Turning headlights off in daylight rather than using them as DRL often can extend bulb life to years. |
| | * Pentastar tick [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KwKWJamp0|due to failed rocker bearings]]; replacing them too late can cause damage to the cam. |
| * use of non-[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopar_Automatic_Transmission_Fluid#1998_-_ATF+4_type_MS-9602_fluid|spec]] transmission fluid can cause failure, with Dexron II being the worst offender.((https://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/fluids.html)) | * use of non-[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopar_Automatic_Transmission_Fluid#1998_-_ATF+4_type_MS-9602_fluid|spec]] transmission fluid can cause failure, with Dexron II being the worst offender.((https://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/fluids.html)) |
| * spark plug changes must be done with care to avoid damaging the spark plug carriers "tubes"((https://www.pentastars.com/engines/repairs.php)) | * spark plug changes must be done with care to avoid damaging the spark plug carriers "tubes"((https://www.pentastars.com/engines/repairs.php)) |
| * the [[rv:ram_promaster#filters_and_fluids|oil filter housing can be cracked if overtightened]] | * the [[rv:ram_promaster#filters_and_fluids|oil filter housing can be cracked if overtightened]] |
| * 2014 model known for squeaking brakes, sticking parking brake | * 2014 model known for squeaking brakes, sticking parking brake |
| * short headlight life (low beam). TSB 08-106-17 says to replace with [[https://amzn.to/2Rp4pys|L0000H7SLL Super Long Life headlamp bulbs]] Also see [[https://www.promasterforum.com/threads/headlamp-adjustment.55922/post-663353|this comment]] about proper alignment in the sockets. | |
| * marker lights leaking | * marker lights leaking |
| * P0750 transmission code may be from the solenoid pack, which [[https://www.promasterforum.com/threads/transmission-failure-kinda.65425/#post-450321|can be replaced without removing the transmission]]. | * P0750 transmission code may be from the solenoid pack, which [[https://www.promasterforum.com/threads/transmission-failure-kinda.65425/#post-450321|can be replaced without removing the transmission]]. |
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| * [[https://www.promasterforum.com/threads/list-of-technical-service-bulletins-recalls.45193/|TSBs]] | * [[https://www.promasterforum.com/threads/list-of-technical-service-bulletins-recalls.45193/|TSBs]] |
| | * [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a3j7V_Mssk|video]] - how to assess a used Promaster |
| ===== RAM Promaster City ===== | ===== RAM Promaster City ===== |
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