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camping:dispersed [2021/09/09 16:40]
frater_secessus [services, or lack thereof]
camping:dispersed [2022/03/13 19:12]
frater_secessus [length of stay]
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 ===== practical issues ===== ===== practical issues =====
  
-While dispersed camping usually allows multiple night staysit is not for squatting or building structures.  You are expected to do your recreation then move on. +==== length of stay ==== 
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 +While dispersed camping usually allows multiple night stays it is **not for squatting or building structures**.  You are expected to do your recreation then move on.   Check the local district and signage for local regulations.   
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 +The most common [[#rules_for_dispersed_camping|rule for dispersed camping in one place]] on BLM, Fish # Wildlife, and other non-NF land is //a 14 day stay in any 28-day period, then mandatory relocation ≥25 miles away// This means ≥2 sites are required for a rotation, and ≥29 days from Site 1 to Site 1: 
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 +  * days 1-14 at Site 1 
 +  * days 15-28 at Site 2 
 +  * days 29 back at Site 1 
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 +In addition, many National Forest districts limit stays in any NF((or NF Ranger district)) to 14d in any **30d** period, so we will need a ≥3 site rotation with ≥31 days from to NF 1 to NF 1. 
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 +  * days 1-14 at NF 1 
 +  * days 15-28 at NF 2 
 +  * days 29 - 30 at NF 3 
 +  * day 31 - back to NF 1
  
 ==== services, or lack thereof ==== ==== services, or lack thereof ====
  
  
-Assume there will be no [[water:drinking|water]], [[camping:dispersed:trash|trash]], or [[lifestyle:faq_toilet|toilets]] services.  There may be no shade, or so much shade no [[electrical:solar:output|solar harvest]] is possible. If you do find a free site with a pit toilet or trash cans use them appropriately and with consideration for others. +Assume there will be no [[water:drinking|water]], [[camping:dispersed:trash|trash]], or [[lifestyle:faq_toilet|toilet]] services.  There may be no shade, or so much shade no [[electrical:solar:output|solar harvest]] is possible. If you do find a free site with a pit toilet or trash cans use them appropriately and with consideration for others. 
  
 Open fires and firewood collection may be banned in some places/times.  Have a [[food:cooking:stoves|camping stove]] for cooking in case you can't make a fire. When camping in areas that forbid firewood collection, park well away from fire rings.   Open fires and firewood collection may be banned in some places/times.  Have a [[food:cooking:stoves|camping stove]] for cooking in case you can't make a fire. When camping in areas that forbid firewood collection, park well away from fire rings.  
 [[http://img.mousetrap.net/2020/IMG_20200401_084827.jpg|Nails may be present]] from the burning of wood pallets. [[http://img.mousetrap.net/2020/IMG_20200401_084827.jpg|Nails may be present]] from the burning of wood pallets.
  
 +Note:   California requires [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLO1eC7RgEk|a free permit]] for fires, including stoves. 
 ==== timing your arrival ==== ==== timing your arrival ====
  
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 " -- Spaceman Spiff((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Fear-of-not-finding-a-place-to-camp?pid=304507#pid304507)) " -- Spaceman Spiff((http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Fear-of-not-finding-a-place-to-camp?pid=304507#pid304507))
  
-To avoid competition from weekenderstry to arrive at new sites mid-week.  Arrive early enough in the day that you can see where you are driving and setting up camp.  +To avoid competition from weekenders try to arrive at new sites mid-week.  Arrive early enough in the day that you can see where you are driving and setting up camp.  
  
  
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 +==== elevation ====
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 +Elevation can be an important part of the decision where to camp, as [[camping:snowbirding#elevation|it affects ambient temperature]].  If the listing you are using does not show elevation you can find approximate elevation on [[https://www.freemaptools.com/elevation-finder.htm|a site like this]].
  
 ===== where to boondock ===== ===== where to boondock =====
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 ==== US Bureau of Reclamation ==== ==== US Bureau of Reclamation ====
  
-The USBR maintains some paid campgrounds.  [note:  secessus is currently researching the possibility of dispersed camping, but it doesn;t look promising.]+The USBR maintains some paid campgrounds.  [note:  secessus is currently researching the possibility of dispersed camping, but it doesn;t look promising. -- UPDATE:  [[https://freecampsites.net/#!7590&query=sitedetails|Poverty Flats]] is reported to be USBR.]
  
 Their [[https://usbr.gov/recreation/overview.html|main site]] says:  Their [[https://usbr.gov/recreation/overview.html|main site]] says: 
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 ===== rules for dispersed camping ===== ===== rules for dispersed camping =====
 Rules vary by specific area but these are common: Rules vary by specific area but these are common:
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 +  * 14 day stay, then relocate ≥25 miles away, and do not return for at least 28 days
   * dispersed camping not allowed near (within miles) of any recreational improvement like "campgrounds, picnic areas, or trailheads."((https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/fishlake/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5121831&width=full))   * dispersed camping not allowed near (within miles) of any recreational improvement like "campgrounds, picnic areas, or trailheads."((https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/fishlake/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5121831&width=full))
   * talk to local rangers / hosts to see if any special conditions exist   * talk to local rangers / hosts to see if any special conditions exist
-  * camping must be [[toilet:self_contained|self-contained]] 
   * practice [[https://lnt.org/learn/7-principles|leave no trace]] camping   * practice [[https://lnt.org/learn/7-principles|leave no trace]] camping
   * camp no further than //n//-hundred feet from a road/trail allowing public motor vehicle use   * camp no further than //n//-hundred feet from a road/trail allowing public motor vehicle use
camping/dispersed.txt · Last modified: 2023/08/24 17:46 by frater_secessus