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camping:dispersed [2021/09/09 16:40]
frater_secessus [timing your arrival]
camping:dispersed [2022/06/28 17:49]
frater_secessus [National Forests]
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 ===== practical issues ===== ===== practical issues =====
  
-While dispersed camping usually allows multiple night staysit is not for squatting or building structures.  You are expected to do your recreation then move on. +==== length of stay ==== 
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 +While dispersed camping usually allows multiple night stays it is **not for squatting or building structures**.  You are expected to do your recreation then move on.   Check the local district and signage for local regulations.   
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 +The most common [[#rules_for_dispersed_camping|rule for dispersed camping in one place]] on BLM, Fish # Wildlife, and other non-NF land is //a 14 day stay in any 28-day period, then mandatory relocation ≥25 miles away// Here is the language from the main BLM site: 
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 +> Dispersed camping is allowed on public land for a period not to exceed **14 days within a 28 consecutive day period**. The 28 day period begins when a camper initially occupies a specific location on public lands. The 14 day limit may be reached either through a number of separate visits or through 14 days of continuous overnight occupation during the 28 day period. After the 14th day of occupation, the camper must move outside of a 25 mile radius of the previous location **until the 29th day since the initial occupation**. The purpose of this special rule is to prevent damage to sensitive resources caused by continual use of any particular areas. In addition, campers must not leave any personal property unattended for more than 10 days (12 months in Alaska). 
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 +This means ≥2 sites are required for a rotation, and ≥29 days from Site 1 to Site 1: 
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 +  * days 1-14 at Site 1 
 +  * days 15-28 at Site 2 
 +  * days 29 back at Site 1 
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 +Many National Forest districts limit stays in any NF((or NF Ranger district)) to 14d in any **30d** period, which causes some issues syncing camping and moving.  We will need a ≥3 site rotation with ≥31 days from to NF 1 to NF 1. 
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 +  * days 1-14 at NF 1 
 +  * days 15-28 at NF 2 
 +  * days 29 - 30 at NF 3 
 +  * day 31 - back to NF 1 
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 ==== services, or lack thereof ==== ==== services, or lack thereof ====
  
  
-Assume there will be no [[water:drinking|water]], [[camping:dispersed:trash|trash]], or [[lifestyle:faq_toilet|toilets]] services.  There may be no shade, or so much shade no [[electrical:solar:output|solar harvest]] is possible. If you do find a free site with a pit toilet or trash cans use them appropriately and with consideration for others. +Assume there will be no [[water:drinking|water]], [[camping:dispersed:trash|trash]], or [[lifestyle:faq_toilet|toilet]] services.  There may be no shade, or so much shade no [[electrical:solar:output|solar harvest]] is possible. If you do find a free site with a pit toilet or trash cans use them appropriately and with consideration for others. 
  
 Open fires and firewood collection may be banned in some places/times.  Have a [[food:cooking:stoves|camping stove]] for cooking in case you can't make a fire. When camping in areas that forbid firewood collection, park well away from fire rings.   Open fires and firewood collection may be banned in some places/times.  Have a [[food:cooking:stoves|camping stove]] for cooking in case you can't make a fire. When camping in areas that forbid firewood collection, park well away from fire rings.  
 [[http://img.mousetrap.net/2020/IMG_20200401_084827.jpg|Nails may be present]] from the burning of wood pallets. [[http://img.mousetrap.net/2020/IMG_20200401_084827.jpg|Nails may be present]] from the burning of wood pallets.
  
 +Note:   California requires [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLO1eC7RgEk|a free permit]] for fires, including stoves. 
 ==== timing your arrival ==== ==== timing your arrival ====
  
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 +==== elevation ====
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 +Elevation can be an important part of the decision where to camp, as [[camping:snowbirding#elevation|it affects ambient temperature]].  If the listing you are using does not show elevation you can find approximate elevation on [[https://www.freemaptools.com/elevation-finder.htm|a site like this]].
  
 ===== where to boondock ===== ===== where to boondock =====
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-It is common for national forest (NF) boondocking to be limited to 14-16 days in one spot, after which one must move at least miles away.  Some areas have no stated length of time for return; others say days, one month, or one year.  Some NFs like the [[https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/tonto/passes-permits/?cid=fseprd518434|Tonto National Forest]] require passes.+It is common for national forest (NF) boondocking to be limited to 14-16 days in one spot, after which one must move at least miles away.((5 and 25 miles are common limits))  Some areas have no stated length of time for return; others say days, one month, or one year.  Some NFs like the [[https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/tonto/passes-permits/?cid=fseprd518434|Tonto National Forest]] require passes.
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 The most important piece of information for boondockers is the MVUM (motor vehicle use map).  These maps, available on paper at visitors centers or [[https://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ohv_maps.shtml|online]], tell you where you can and cannot take your vehicle.  A double row of dots indicates where dispersed camping is allowed. The most important piece of information for boondockers is the MVUM (motor vehicle use map).  These maps, available on paper at visitors centers or [[https://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ohv_maps.shtml|online]], tell you where you can and cannot take your vehicle.  A double row of dots indicates where dispersed camping is allowed.
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 ==== US Bureau of Reclamation ==== ==== US Bureau of Reclamation ====
  
-The USBR maintains some paid campgrounds.  [note:  secessus is currently researching the possibility of dispersed camping, but it doesn;t look promising.]+The USBR maintains some paid campgrounds.  [note:  secessus is currently researching the possibility of dispersed camping, but it doesn;t look promising. -- UPDATE:  [[https://freecampsites.net/#!7590&query=sitedetails|Poverty Flats]] is reported to be USBR.]
  
 Their [[https://usbr.gov/recreation/overview.html|main site]] says:  Their [[https://usbr.gov/recreation/overview.html|main site]] says: 
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 ===== rules for dispersed camping ===== ===== rules for dispersed camping =====
 Rules vary by specific area but these are common: Rules vary by specific area but these are common:
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 +  * 14 day stay, then relocate ≥25 miles away, and do not return for at least 28 days
   * dispersed camping not allowed near (within miles) of any recreational improvement like "campgrounds, picnic areas, or trailheads."((https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/fishlake/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5121831&width=full))   * dispersed camping not allowed near (within miles) of any recreational improvement like "campgrounds, picnic areas, or trailheads."((https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/fishlake/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5121831&width=full))
   * talk to local rangers / hosts to see if any special conditions exist   * talk to local rangers / hosts to see if any special conditions exist
-  * camping must be [[toilet:self_contained|self-contained]] 
   * practice [[https://lnt.org/learn/7-principles|leave no trace]] camping   * practice [[https://lnt.org/learn/7-principles|leave no trace]] camping
   * camp no further than //n//-hundred feet from a road/trail allowing public motor vehicle use   * camp no further than //n//-hundred feet from a road/trail allowing public motor vehicle use
camping/dispersed.txt · Last modified: 2022/07/07 15:21 by frater_secessus