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princess_fluffypants [Satellite Internet]
communication:internet [2022/12/08 03:10]
princess_fluffypants [Connecting to WiFi]
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-This is the holy grail of long-term van life. Historically Satellite internet services have been plagued by //very// high prices for minuscule data usage, and unrealistically bulky equipment (think DirectTV dishes). However with the advent of Starlink this may be about to change: https://www.tuckstruck.net/truck-and-kit/geekery/starlink-for-overlanders/+This is the holy grail of long-term van life, especially for those who prefer wilderness and remote areas. Historically Satellite internet services have been plagued by //very// high prices for minuscule data usage, and unrealistically bulky equipment (think DirectTV dishes). However with the advent of Starlink this is changing: https://www.starlink.com/rv
  
-Starlink is the satellite internet service offered by Space-X. $100/mo (and a $500 receiver) gets you //blisteringly// fast unlimited internet.((and the discomforting feeling of giving even more money to a twitter-addicted manchild billionare)) +Starlink is the satellite internet service offered by Space-X, and offers a tier of service specifically for RVs. $135/mo and a $600 receiver (or $2,500 for an in-motion receiver) gets you extremely fast internet in most places in the country.
  
 +The catch is that Starlink //only// works in remote areas. If you have a cell phone signal, you're probably not far away enough from civilization to get Starlink. Out west this is usually not a problem, but east of the Mississippi river there is usually too much population density for the service to be usable. See the coverage map here: https://www.starlink.com/map.  This is a good solution for boondockers who set up camp in the wilderness, but it doesn't offer much usability for urban dwellers.
  
-The catch is that Starlink //only// works in remote areas. If you have a cell phone signal, you're probably not far away enough from civilization to get Starlink.  The receiver((who's official name is "Dishy McFlatface")) is also fairly large (about the size of a pizza box) and takes a lot of power (~50w continuous draw).  It'//portable// solution, but not a //mobile// solution. The current technology does not function while moving, and you have to manually update your service location on the Space-X website every time you move more than ~15 miles.+The receiver((who's official name is "Dishy McFlatface")) is also fairly large (about the size of a pizza box) and takes a lot of power (50-100w continuous draw). The less expensive receiver isn't designed for the sort of vibration and forces imparted when driving, so the majority of Starlink users keep the dish inside the van with them and only deploy it when they're stopped somewhere for an extended period of time.  See one user'experience here:  https://www.tuckstruck.net/truck-and-kit/geekery/starlink-for-overlanders/. The in-motion receiver //is// designed to mounted to the roof of vehicles and be operable while moving, but for most van dwellers the costs is not worth it. 
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 +Another downside is that to work, the receiver needs a completely unobstructed view of the entire sky. A single small tree somewhere in field of view is sometimes enough to make the connection drop out every few minutes, so sometimes having the portable (non-vehicle-mounted) dish is preferable.  You can park in the shade, and run the dish out into a clearing (it's weatherproof). 
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 +When using Starlink on the RV plan, your traffic is de-prioritized over users who have a fixed address in the area and you may experience slower speeds. 
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 +The Starlink dish is powered from the included router, or a PoE injector which runs off of AC wall power.  Experiments with powering the injector [[https://www.offgridcto.com/2022/05/23/starlink-on-pure-dc-power/|directly off of 12v DC]] using a Buck/Boost converter have yielded [[https://www.tuckstruck.net/truck-and-kit/geekery/modifying-the-starlink-power-supply-to-run-on-ac-and-dc/|net power savings of ~30%]].
  
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 ==== Carriers ==== ==== Carriers ====
  
-  * **Verizon** dominates the RV/vandweller market because it has the most coverage, including out-of-the-way places.  This makes it the most popular carrier among nomads and [[camping:dispersed|boondockers]].  Verizon is infamous for being expensive and for doing jerky things like limiting built-in features on their phones.  It can be a bit of a love-hate relationship ((it's just hate)).+  * **Verizon** dominates the RV/vandweller market because it has the most coverage, including out-of-the-way places.  This makes it the most popular carrier among nomads and [[camping:dispersed|boondockers]].  Verizon is infamous for being expensive and for doing jerky things like limiting built-in features on their phones.  It can be a bit of a love-hate relationship ((There is no love, it's just hate)).
   * **AT&T** and **T-Mobile** are about equal -- full coverage near cities and spottier coverage in the boonies. One advantage to these carriers is that their SIM cards can be put in any unlocked GSM phone.   * **AT&T** and **T-Mobile** are about equal -- full coverage near cities and spottier coverage in the boonies. One advantage to these carriers is that their SIM cards can be put in any unlocked GSM phone.
   * **Sprint** is rarely used due to minimal coverage   * **Sprint** is rarely used due to minimal coverage
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 === Cellular Routers === === Cellular Routers ===
  
-Bigger versions of "Hotspot" devices, they offer more speed and capabilities at a higher cost.  They typically have external antenna connection options, and sometimes the ability to bond multiple connection types together at once. Functionally they offer similiarty to a consumer home Wi-Fi router, with the addition that you can stick a SIM card in them for internet instead of needing to plug them into your cable modem.+{{:communication:verizon-certified-automatic-failover-single-cellular-router-max-br1-mk2-2-1800x0-c-default.png?250 |}} 
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 +Bigger versions of "Hotspot" devices, they offer more speed and capabilities at a higher cost.  They typically have external antenna connection options, and sometimes the ability to bond multiple connection types together at once. Functionally they offer similarity to a consumer home Wi-Fi router, with the addition that you can stick a SIM card in them for internet instead of needing to plug them into your cable modem.
  
 [[https://www.peplink.com\Peplink]] is extremely popular in the world of overlanders and cruisers (boaters).  They offer good capabilities in terms of speed, features, and connectivity at a price that is more paletable to most people who are living in a van.  Their [[https://www.peplink.com/products/max-br1-series/|Max BR1]] line of cellular routers offer a reasonable blend of capacity and capabilities for the price. [[https://www.peplink.com\Peplink]] is extremely popular in the world of overlanders and cruisers (boaters).  They offer good capabilities in terms of speed, features, and connectivity at a price that is more paletable to most people who are living in a van.  Their [[https://www.peplink.com/products/max-br1-series/|Max BR1]] line of cellular routers offer a reasonable blend of capacity and capabilities for the price.
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 === Professional equipment === === Professional equipment ===
  
-[[https://www.cradlepoint.com|Cradlepoint]] dominates the professional end of the market. Their equipment is extremely durable, very powerful, and comes with a completely baller cloud-management interface. They also have full enterprise-grade support, which is a shell-shock for people who've never experienced what //real// tech support is like.+{{ :communication:cp.jpg?direct&300|}}
  
-These are commonly used to provide wifi or data in buses, trains, delivery vans, and are targeted to fleets with hundreds of vehicles. However they are a lot more expensive than consumer are accustomed to, and much more complicated to set up. They are intended to be deployed and managed by IT professionals, and to be used with [[https://panorama-antennas.com/site/High-Performance-4x4-MiMo-Antennas|roof-mounted antennas]] which can add complexity to a build.+[[https://www.cradlepoint.com|Cradlepoint]] dominates the professional end of the market
  
-{{:communication:cp.jpg?direct&200 |}}+These are commonly used commercially to provide wifi or data in buses, trains, delivery vans, and are targeted to companies with hundreds of vehicles. Because of this they are a lot more expensive than consumers are accustomed to, and more complicated to set up. They are intended to be deployed and managed by IT professionals, and to be used with roof-mounted antennas which can add complexity to a build.
  
-If you have the budget and knowledge for it, the [[https://cradlepoint.com/product/endpoints/ibr1700/|Cradlepoint IBR1700]] is almost intentionally built for van life. It's ruggedized and designed to stand up to vehicle motion and vibrationand will run off of anything from 9-36v DC (it comes with a pigtail connector to wire into your battery system). It has a 4x4 MIMO cellular radio with the option to add a secondgiving the ability to run two different SIM cards from two different providers and load-balance across them both at the same time. It also has three Wi-Fi radios (4x4 5GHz, 2x2 5GHz, and 2x2 2.4GHz), and supports a native "WiFi-as-WAN" functionality+A decent starting point is either the compact IBR900 (less expensive2x2 cellular radio, reasonable speeds) or the IBR1700 (physically larger devicebut a 4x4 cellular radio for more speed as well as things like USB portsOBD-II connectorsethernet ports and GPIO pins).
  
-Unfortunately they are also very expensive, typically [[https://rcntechnologies.com/shop/cradlepoint-cor-ibr1700-netcloud-package-cat18-cat12-lte-router/|$1,500 for a single-radio setup]] and an additional $500 for the second radio. Their capabilities are unbeatable though.+A good installation guide is here: [[https://ridingroadsandtrails.com/sprinter-wifi-on-board/]]
  
 +**Notes from a professional wireless network engineer**
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 +//I use a [[https://cradlepoint.com/product/endpoints/ibr1700/|Cradlepoint IBR1700]] router connected to a [[https://panorama-antennas.com/site/High-Performance-4x4-MiMo-Antennas|Panorama Antennas LGMHM4-6-60-24-58 11-in-1 dome antenna]] which is mounted to the roof of the van. The router is ruggedized and designed to stand up to vehicle motion and vibration, and will run off of anything from 9-36v DC (it comes with a pigtail connector to wire into your battery system). It has a 4x4 MIMO cellular radio with the option to add a second, giving the ability to run two different SIM cards from two different providers and load-balance across them both at the same time. It also has three Wi-Fi radios (4x4 5GHz, 2x2 5GHz, and 2x2 2.4GHz), supports a native "WiFi-as-WAN" functionality, and integrates into the SD-WAN solution that allows me to connect easily to the datacenters that I oversea for my day job.
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 +The total price for this setup is around $2,500, and while the performance is incredible I hesitate to recommend it to non-IT people due to the cost and complexity of installation.  It's not hard, but it's significantly more than a jetpack or consumer-grade wifi router from best buy.//
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 +//-Princess_Fluffypants//
  
  
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 +===== Cellular Boosters =====
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 +These devices try to give better cell service by picking up weak signals and re-transmitting them at a stronger strength inside the van. WeBoost is a popular brand.
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 +Real world performance is somewhat of a mixed bag. They can help in a few specific situations, but in many other situations they will make performance worse or result in even slower speeds. Much of this is because while modern cell phones (and cellular routers) can typically bond together multiple data streams at the same time for a greater overall throughput, a WeBoost can only pick up an amplify a single data stream. Cruiser and R/V forums and youtube are full of comparison articles and videos doing side-by-side tests.
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 +The short answer is that for how much a WeBoost costs, the gains are extremely limited.  It's usually better to put the money towards a Cradlepoint or Peplink router with a good roof-mounted antenna, as that will generally give better performance in a wider variety of scenarios.
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 ===== WiFi ===== ===== WiFi =====
  
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 > Go inside wherever you can find wifi service. make sure you at least buy a drink or something so they know you are a customer. Be quiet, respectful, stay out of the way, leave if all the tables are full and there isn't room for other paying customers, etc. You can often stay for quite a long time - just be considerate of others and you'll likely never be asked to leave. -- DollBabyLG((https://www.reddit.com/r/urbancarliving/comments/oswdqf/18f_and_might_be_homeless_soon_advice/h6shcpb/)) > Go inside wherever you can find wifi service. make sure you at least buy a drink or something so they know you are a customer. Be quiet, respectful, stay out of the way, leave if all the tables are full and there isn't room for other paying customers, etc. You can often stay for quite a long time - just be considerate of others and you'll likely never be asked to leave. -- DollBabyLG((https://www.reddit.com/r/urbancarliving/comments/oswdqf/18f_and_might_be_homeless_soon_advice/h6shcpb/))
  
-==== Connecting to Shore WiFi ====+==== Connecting to WiFi ==== 
 + 
 +Wifi is often available in cities, but the Access Points may be too far to hit with individual devices. Solutions often include better antennas, better placement of existing antennas, or the installation of repeaters/routers. 
  
 In order from simplest/cheapest to most complex/$$$ In order from simplest/cheapest to most complex/$$$
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   * //Extending//((sometimes called "repeating")) takes the signal (Taco Bell Wifi, for example) and makes it available as Taco Bell Wifi in your van.  The Taco Bell Wifi signal is //extended// beyond its original design.   * //Extending//((sometimes called "repeating")) takes the signal (Taco Bell Wifi, for example) and makes it available as Taco Bell Wifi in your van.  The Taco Bell Wifi signal is //extended// beyond its original design.
-    * **Notes from a professional wireless network engineer:** These things are //terrible// and should be avoided in all but the rarest of circumstances. Because they're adding a repeating station to an already large collision domain, every WiFi repeater that is connected to a network **reduces the speed of the entire wireless network by 75%**. Using one of these might make more bars appear on your phone, but as a result you are crapping all over the WiFi for everyone else who is connected to it.+    * **Notes from a professional wireless network engineer:** These things are //terrible// and should be avoided in all but the rarest of circumstances. Because they're adding a repeating station to an already large collision domain, every WiFi repeater that is connected to a network **reduces the speed of the entire wireless network by 75%**. The best analogy is that they're the WiFi equivalent of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microphone|The People's Megaphone]], and like the people's megaphone they make all types of communication //vastly// slower. Using one of these might make more bars appear on your phone, but as a result you are crapping all over the WiFi for everyone else who is connected to it.
   * //Relaying//((sometimes called routing)) takes the Taco Bell Wifi and replays it as MyVanWiFi or whatever in your van. While slightly more complex to set up, this is the ideal solution.   * //Relaying//((sometimes called routing)) takes the Taco Bell Wifi and replays it as MyVanWiFi or whatever in your van. While slightly more complex to set up, this is the ideal solution.
     * Relaying works by having two separate WiFi devices connected back-to-back; One WiFi device acts as the "receiver", and connects to the host SSID (The Taco Bell WiFi). While the other WiFi device acts as your personal "transmitter" and broadcasts your local in-van network.     * Relaying works by having two separate WiFi devices connected back-to-back; One WiFi device acts as the "receiver", and connects to the host SSID (The Taco Bell WiFi). While the other WiFi device acts as your personal "transmitter" and broadcasts your local in-van network.
     * There are products out there that attempt to do this in a single device, with varying degrees of success.  However by using a receiver such as a Ubiquiti Nanostation Loco as a "receiver", and then plugged it into the WAN port whatever off-the-shelf Best Buy router you have laying around, you can accomplish this for less than $100.     * There are products out there that attempt to do this in a single device, with varying degrees of success.  However by using a receiver such as a Ubiquiti Nanostation Loco as a "receiver", and then plugged it into the WAN port whatever off-the-shelf Best Buy router you have laying around, you can accomplish this for less than $100.
 +    * Many commercial products such as the above-mentioned Cradlepoint routers support this setup with the term "WiFi-as-WAN" Usually you'll use one of the cellular radios (the 2.4GHz or 5GHz) to connect to the Taco Bell Wifi, and then the other radio will broadcast MyVanWiFi.  Tri-band routers (which typically have two 5ghz radios and one 2.4ghz radio) are great for this as they give a lot of flexibility.
  
 [[https://amzn.to/2GWOaCG|{{ https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31LsBv9brZL._SY90_.jpg}}]]Low-end and hobbyist units are inexpensive and can work okay, depending on your usage and technical ability.   [[https://amzn.to/2GWOaCG|{{ https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31LsBv9brZL._SY90_.jpg}}]]Low-end and hobbyist units are inexpensive and can work okay, depending on your usage and technical ability.  
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 Many also remember SSIDs (access point names) and will reconnect to them as you travel.  You might pull into a McDonald's parking lot and hear your phone //ding//:  the router has already connected to the wifi and your phone ((connected to the router's internal wifi)) is asking you to click to agree to the wifi conditions.  Many also remember SSIDs (access point names) and will reconnect to them as you travel.  You might pull into a McDonald's parking lot and hear your phone //ding//:  the router has already connected to the wifi and your phone ((connected to the router's internal wifi)) is asking you to click to agree to the wifi conditions. 
  
-"Pro-sumer" WiFi access points like [[https://amzn.to/2S4gRE8|Ubiquiti Nanostations]] can be configured as part of a relay system, typically when mounted outside the vehicle.  This makes for maximum range but can reduce stealth.  Antenna wire losses are eliminated because the antenna is inside the receiver, and the signal brought into the vehicle over ethernet((which also powers the unit by PoE)).+"Pro-sumer" WiFi access points like [[https://amzn.to/2S4gRE8|Ubiquiti Nanostations]] can be configured as part of a relay system, typically when mounted outside the vehicle.  This makes for maximum range but can reduce stealth.  Antenna wire losses are eliminated because the antenna is inside the receiver, and the signal brought into the vehicle over ethernet((which also powers the unit by PoE)). Remember that the Nanostation is directional; you need to point it at the WiFi you're trying to connect to.
  
 === DIY Relays === === DIY Relays ===
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 +===== further reading =====
  
 +  * [[https://www.technomadia.com/|TechNomadia]] are experts in mobile connectivity, and have [[https://www.rvmobileinternet.com|a dedicated website]] for sharing that information.  
 +  * [[https://ridingroadsandtrails.com/sprinter-wifi-on-board/]] Has some good information on doing internet in a van
communication/internet.txt · Last modified: 2023/12/06 18:29 by princess_fluffypants