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--- electrical:depth_of_discharge [2023/08/17 21:11]
frater_secessus [partial state of charge]
+++ electrical:depth_of_discharge [2023/08/17 21:36] (current)
frater_secessus [effect of DoD on lead battery life]
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 DoD is the inverse of //State of Charge (SoC)//.  Example:  a battery at 30% DoD is at 70% SoC.
-DoD has a **significant impact on longevity of lead deep cycle batteries**.((and, to a lesser degree, lithium batteries))  For this reason [[electrical:inverter|Inverters]] and other high-load devices may have a [[electrical:12v:lvd|low voltage cutoff]] to prevent going below a given SoC, typically 50%.
 Note: This information is primarily relevant to lead-chemistry batteries.  Lithium batteries have [[#lithium_soc|different DoD capabilities and lifecycles]].
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 So for a 225Ah Trojan T-105 that might be when current acceptance drops to **4.5A at 14.8v**.  Some solar charge controllers have a setting for defining the final current acceptance ("trailing amps", "endAmps").  Usually humans observe system behavior and set an Absorption duration likely to terminate at about the correct time.((later typically better than earlier with lead))
+Mythbusting:  although it is a common saying, a lead battery is not reliably 80% SoC when Absorption voltage is reached.  See [[opinion:frater_secessus:charging_faster|this article]] for why this is so.
 With **lithium batteries** humans might use use amp-counting with [[electrical:12v:battery_monitor|a battery monitor]] but most charge controllers don't talk to battery monitors.  So we can take one of two major approaches:
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   * at moderate charging rates and voltages between ≥13.4v and <13.8v SoC will be ~100% after some amount of Absorption.  It could take a day at 13.4v and a few hours at 13.6v;  watch your battery monitor to see when acceptance actually falls off.
+==== soft and firm charging ====
+Solar is typically a moderate (or "soft") charging source so the guidelines above are probably close enough to start from.  Alternator charging from [[electrical:12v:directcharginglfp|combiner]] or large [[electrical:12v:b2b|DC-DC]] may be high ("firm") enough for SoC estimates to be artificially high.
+So while we can say with confidence that a 100Ah Li battery charged at 20A to 14.0v will be ~100% SoC, the same battery charged to 14.0v at 80A might only be at 75% SoC.  And it **could get damagingly overcharged** if charged to 14.0v very gently at something like 5A.((the BMS cannot detect this scenario))
+The amp counter will probably help here during charging although even it can be thrown off;  see the battery monitor article for more on this.
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-A rested (no load), fully charged, unFloated lead battery will be 100% around 12.7v-12.8v; see specs for exact numbers.  //We can only reasonably assess SoC by voltage after a full charge.//  After charging is removed the lead battery will start to self-discharge (drain itself), which is why lead batteries require Float charging.
+A rested (no load), fully charged, unFloated lead battery will be 100% around 12.7v-12.8v; see specs for exact numbers.  //We can only reasonably assess SoC by voltage after a full charge.//  After charging is removed the lead battery will start to self-discharge (drain itself), which is why lead batteries require Float charging.  **A lead battery that has been fully charged and at Float voltage ever since is assumed to be 100%**.
 The famous chart to the right is used to estimate SoC of a rested battery after a full charge.
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 A rested (no load), fully charged, unFloated lithium battery will be 100% around 13.5-13.6v.  Even with charging removed lithium self-discharge is very low.  The downside of this is that an overcharged Li battery can stay at unhealthy high levels for long periods before self-discharging to a safer range.
+As we will see below SoC-by-voltage will appear to be **artificially high during charging**((voltage rise)) and **artificially low during discharging**((voltage sag)).  With some "seat time" on your system you may learn how to interpolate with some degree of accuracy.
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 ===== effect of DoD on lead battery life =====
-How deeply one regularly discharges lead-chemistry batteries will have a **direct effect on how long the battery bank will last**.((Banks are typically replaced when they have lost 20% of their capacity))
+DoD has a **significant impact on longevity of lead deep cycle batteries**.((and, to a lesser degree, lithium batteries))  For this reason [[electrical:inverter|Inverters]] and other high-load devices may have a [[electrical:12v:lvd|low voltage cutoff]] to prevent going below a given SoC, typically 50%.  Since this is judged by voltage it is am imperfect science.
-The **most common discharge limit for deep cycle batteries is 50% DoD**.  This gives a good balance between usability and longevity.  The **lowest cost per Ah** occurs around 30% DoD although this requires buying, installing, and moving //dead lead// or unusable battery capacity.((20% DoD is the limit at which manufacturers rate their battery's cycles.))
+The **most common discharge limit for deep cycle batteries is 50% DoD**.  This gives a good balance between usability and longevity.  The **lowest cost per Ah** occurs around 30% DoD although this requires buying, installing, and moving //dead lead// or unusable battery capacity.
 Based on the following data on the Trojan T-105:

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