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Finding your camper

Areas with many good vehicles

Florida and Arizona has been touted as a place to find commercial campers and RVs. Retirees from the NE plan to RV together in that warm state but either change their mind, upgrade to another RV, or stop RVing because of health or age reasons. There is no ice in Florida (hence no road salt) but do look for rust caused by salt water breezes or drives on the beach.

The American Southwest is another good place as there is no road salt. Paint can be degraded by “sun fade”1) but that is cosmetic rather than functional. Tires can be dry rotted and dashboards and interiors sun-damaged.2)

Colorado does not use road salt, relying on gravel instead. Locals advise that cracked windshields from gravel are to be expected.3) 4×4 campers may be more common in mountainous areas.

Vehicles that have not been on the beach in California will be in good condition but will generally be more expensive4) and older ones may have complex, expensive, and performance-altering CA-specific emissions.5).

Finding vans

Once you know geographically where to look the search comes next.

Take advantage of any automation tools the site offers (email alerts, saved searches, RSS feeds).6)

  • craigslist is probably the first place folks look. It sequesters results by region, so if you want national results uses something like searchtempest. (leverage RSS results to automate the process)
  • ebay motors lists vehicles, and you can sort by distance from any zipcode, by cost, etc. (leverage saved searches to automate the process)
  • AutoTrader, Truck Trader, RV Trader, etc.
  • local classifieds
  • Facebook marketplace
  • vans you see for sale locally
  • truck sales lots will have cargo vans, box trucks, etc. Some high tops.

Vans to look for

If you can buy something that already has part of what you want, even better.

Former Ambulances can make good starters for a built, due to pre-existing high-tops, beefy electrical systems and cabinets. However they often have a lot of hours of idling on them, and many are diesel which are problematic.

Wheelchair Vans can be great to start with. Many will have fiberglass high roofs added, or larger doors. If you can find one that still has the hydraulic ramp in it, many mobility conversion companies will remove them for free and might even pay you a few hundred dollars for them.

Vans to rule out

Some vans will be a “hard no”, as in “walk away”. Others may need to be heavily discounted to account for required maintenance, condition, or branded title.7)

Also see: Don't buy a lemon (yt Bob Wells)

uninspectable

Rule out vans from any seller that will not allow the van to be inspected by a mechanic. This is called a “pre-sale inspection” (PSI) or similar, and typically costs $0 - $150. Many/most expensive horror stories could be avoided with a PSI.

Bad VIN

The VIN must match the title.

The free Vehicle History VIN check will show a surprising amount of info from various public sources.

The free NCIB VIN check will identify salvaged (totaled) and stolen vehicles.

The free Carfax Flood VIN check will identify flooded vehicles.

Check That VIN is currently the lowest cost VIN check for branded titles or liens at $3.99. You may be able to get this information for free from your state. The federal reminds us that:

Consumers CANNOT receive NMVTIS Vehicle History Reports from Carfax, CVR, DMVDesk, Experian, or TitleTech; these five entities provide information only to car dealerships.8)

If your vehicle passes all those you might want to look at the free NHTSA recall VIN check to see if there are any outstanding safety recalls.

Flooded vehicles

The free Carfax Flood VIN check will identify flooded vehicles.

Pay attention to mold/mildew smells. Lift trunk carpet and look for mud.

Vehicles from salt belt states

the "Salt Belt" Some states in the northeast and northern midwest use salt on the roads to melt ice.

Colorado and Utah use non-salt chemicals or gravel on the road.

Alaska is often too cold for road salt to be used there, so salt use may vary by area.

Untitled vehicles

Untitled vehicles are nightmares. Here are the magic questions to avoid title nightmares:

  1. “Do you have the title in hand?”
  2. “Does the name on the title match your ID?”

Fixer-Uppers

Don't be tempted by that super-cheap van you found that “needs a little TLC”. If the need was little, the seller would have done it already and been able to sell it for a higher price. Unless you really know what you're doing, avoid buying a fixer-upper as your first van. And I'll be honest; if you're reading this wiki, you probably don't know what you're doing (yet).

“No van ever cost less than $5,000”

Don’t start too cheap. Buying beaters or fixer-upper projects is great for people who have a lot of mechanical skills, DIY abilities, and already own a lot of their own tools and have a place to work on it. But if you think you’re going to get an old beater and then pay somebody else to make the repairs, you’re going to end up spending far more money than it would have cost to just buy a more reliable van in the first place.

Spend more on the van, spend less on the build out. Spend more of your budget to get a solid and reliable van, and reduce your budget for the interior amenities; you will enjoy a reliable van with a bare-bones interior much more than a fancy interior that is broken down on the side of the road.

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