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frater_secessus [load dumps] 		electrical:12v:alternator_details [2025/10/07 16:56] (current)
frater_secessus [dual alternators] source fo 410a
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 see [[electrical:12v:alternator_details#external_regulation|External Regulation]] below see [[electrical:12v:alternator_details#external_regulation|External Regulation]] below
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 +=== observing the regulation ===
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 +Some vehicle manufacturers have extended OBD2 pids that allow monitoring of the field signal that is regulating the alternator:
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 +  * Ford - Generator Field Control Output (%)((https://www.fordservicecontent.dealerconnection.com/pubs/content/~WVX2/~MUS~LEN/15/VX22007.HTM))
 +  * GM - Generator F-Terminal Signal ((https://www.autometer.com/obd2_gm))
  
 === tricking the regulator === === tricking the regulator ===
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   * use the lead starter batt in the circuit to absorb the spike   * use the lead starter batt in the circuit to absorb the spike
   * charge the bank in a manner unlikely to cause BMS disconnect in the first place   * charge the bank in a manner unlikely to cause BMS disconnect in the first place
-  * for LF_-dedicated alternator setups use +  * for LFP-dedicated alternator setups 
     * consider a system that uses CANBUS or other networking protocol to inform the alternator's regulator prior to actual BMS shutdown.  The alt shuts down before the BMS so there are no spikes.      * consider a system that uses CANBUS or other networking protocol to inform the alternator's regulator prior to actual BMS shutdown.  The alt shuts down before the BMS so there are no spikes. 
     * install a possibly-sacrificial protection device.  They are typically mounted between the alernator's B+ and B- terminals and short to ground when voltage spikes above a certain level.       * install a possibly-sacrificial protection device.  They are typically mounted between the alernator's B+ and B- terminals and short to ground when voltage spikes above a certain level.  
-    * The  [[https://amzn.to/45ofEh4|Balmar APM-12]]   apparently uses "A TVS (avalanche diode), Littlefuse brand, unipolar, 15kW peak pulse capability, with a stand-off voltage around 20 or 22 Volts"((https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/balmar-alternator-protection-module-apm-260911-post3607461.html#post3607461)) +      * The  [[https://amzn.to/45ofEh4|Balmar APM-12]]   apparently uses "A TVS (avalanche diode), Littlefuse brand, unipolar, 15kW peak pulse capability, with a stand-off voltage around 20 or 22 Volts"((https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/balmar-alternator-protection-module-apm-260911-post3607461.html#post3607461)) 
-    * the Zap-Stop apparently uses a Motorola #MR2535L TVS diode((the original post called it a Zener but the datasheet for the MR2535L says it's TVS)) to short the alternator output((https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/zap-stop-fact-or-fiction-29442.html#post315900))  +      * the [[https://amzn.to/4ectIwD|Balmar TSP-12 spike protector]] may be the equivalent of the APM-12 without the LED and audio indicators. 
-    * Sterling APD12 internals not documented +      * the Zap-Stop apparently uses a Motorola #MR2535L TVS diode((the original post called it a Zener but [[https://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/5199/MOTOROLA/MR2535L.html|the datasheet for the MR2535L]] says it's TVS)) to short the alternator output((https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/zap-stop-fact-or-fiction-29442.html#post315900))  
-    * the [[https://amzn.to/4ectIwD|Balmar TSP-12 spike protector]] might be the equivalent of the APM-12 without the LED and audio indicators. +      * Sterling APD12 internals not documented 
-    * mikecol recommends a "IN6277A [[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode|TVS diode]]] in series with 5A ATC fuse. The fuse characteristics with the diode clamp makes the full circuit. I don't have data to show it works well, but worth the cheap cost for me. Fuse and diode might not survive after hit, so good to be able to check condition (I have fuse end to alt+ so can measure with voltmeter [easily]"((https://sprinter-source.com/forums/index.php?threads/85448/post-918529))+      * mikecol recommends a "IN6277A [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode|TVS diode]] in series with 5A ATC fuse. The fuse characteristics with the diode clamp makes the full circuit. I don't have data to show it works well, but worth the cheap cost for me. Fuse and diode might not survive after hit, so good to be able to check condition (I have fuse end to alt+ so can measure with voltmeter [easily]"((https://sprinter-source.com/forums/index.php?threads/85448/post-918529))
  
 ===== common modifications ===== ===== common modifications =====
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 Known configurations: Known configurations:
  
 +  * 410A((https://www.fordtremor.com/attachments/6-7-altermators-webp.126095/)) = 250A + 160A
   * 397A = 220A + 157A   * 397A = 220A + 157A
   * 332A = 175A + 157A   * 332A = 175A + 157A
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