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 The last year of the E-Series van was the 2014 model year. Since then it has only been sold as a "cut-cab" chassis, and can still be found frequently used for ambulances, [[rv:class_c|Class-C RVs]] or shuttle buses. The last year of the E-Series van was the 2014 model year. Since then it has only been sold as a "cut-cab" chassis, and can still be found frequently used for ambulances, [[rv:class_c|Class-C RVs]] or shuttle buses.
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 +[[https://sportsmobile.com/sportsmobile-4x4/|Sportsmobile]] still makes and sells campers based on the Econoline cut-cab chassis, and they are the gold standard for hardcore off-road adventure vans.((Which is appropriate, because they're so expensive they might as well be made out of gold))
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 === Engines === === Engines ===
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 +All of the gasoline V-6/8/10 engines offered in the later generations of vans were the "2-valve" engine, as opposed to the "3-valve" found in pickup trucks. While they make less power than their truck brethren, they're more reliable as they do not suffer from the cam phaser issues that plagued the 3-valve engines.  See the [[rv:van_issues|Known Issues]] page for more details.
  
 Depending on the year, the Econoline vans were offered with the following engines: Depending on the year, the Econoline vans were offered with the following engines:
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     * The one you want. Excellent power, good gas milage (20+ mpg). Hard to find in good condition.     * The one you want. Excellent power, good gas milage (20+ mpg). Hard to find in good condition.
   * **6.0L V-8 Diesel** (2004-2010)   * **6.0L V-8 Diesel** (2004-2010)
-    * [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-0l-is-so-unreliable/|A ticking time bomb of failures]]. Multiple $5,000+ repair bills are //guaranteed//. Avoid like the plague+    * [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-0l-is-so-unreliable/|A ticking time bomb of failures]]. Multiple $5,000+ repair bills are //guaranteed//. Avoid. 
-  * **6.4L V-8 Diesel** (2011-2014) +  * **6.4L V-8 Diesel** 
-    * Slightly less terrible, but still [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-4l-is-so-awful-awful/|extremely unreliable]] with very expensive failures //that absolutely will happen.//+    * Was never put into vans but can be found in pickup trucks and some RVs. Slightly less bad than the 6.0, but still [[https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/why-the-6-4l-is-so-awful-awful/|extremely unreliable]] with very expensive failures //that absolutely will happen.//
  
 === Height === === Height ===
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 Identified by the slightly revised grill with three horizontal bars. Identified by the slightly revised grill with three horizontal bars.
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 +Beginning in 2005, a new 5-speed transmission was optional behind the 5.4L V-8 and standard behind the 6.8L V-10.
  
 Avoid the diesel engines in this generation (see the "known issues" section)\\ Avoid the diesel engines in this generation (see the "known issues" section)\\
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 ===== Econoline Vs Euro Vans ===== ===== Econoline Vs Euro Vans =====
  
-One of the most common topics in modern van-dwelling is comparing the older style vans (Such a the Econoline, [[rv:express|GMC Express/Savanah]], [[rv:astro|Astro/Safari]] or other [[rv:conversion_van|Conversion vans]]) with the more modern euro-style vans ([[rv:ford_transit|Transit]], [[rv:sprinter|Sprinter]], Promaster).+One of the most common topics in modern van-dwelling is comparing the older style vans (Such a the Econoline, [[rv:express|GMC Express/Savanah]], [[rv:astro|Astro/Safari]] or other [[rv:conversion_van|Conversion vans]]) with the more modern euro-style vans ([[rv:ford_transit|Transit]], [[rv:sprinter|Sprinter]], [[rv:ram_promaster|Promaster]]).
  
 ====Econoline Strengths==== ====Econoline Strengths====
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 **Driveline flexibility.** Because these are body-on-frame vehicles (compared to modern uni-body vans), they are much more tolerant of abuse and modification.  [[https://weldtecdesigns.com/product/wtd-ford-e-series-6-lift-kit-for-3rd-gen-vans/|Lift kits up to 6"]] are available, and the bodies are able to fit very large wheel and tire options for serious off-roading capabilities. 4x4 conversions are still available in limited quantities from upfitters such as Quigly or Quadvan. **Driveline flexibility.** Because these are body-on-frame vehicles (compared to modern uni-body vans), they are much more tolerant of abuse and modification.  [[https://weldtecdesigns.com/product/wtd-ford-e-series-6-lift-kit-for-3rd-gen-vans/|Lift kits up to 6"]] are available, and the bodies are able to fit very large wheel and tire options for serious off-roading capabilities. 4x4 conversions are still available in limited quantities from upfitters such as Quigly or Quadvan.
  
-**Towing.** Of this there is no dispute; the Econolines are the vehicle you want if you're towing a heavy trailer. Depending on the engine/transmission/axle ratio, the [[https://www.towratings.net/model/e-350+van|E-350 can tow up to 10,000lbs]], almost //twice// what a Transit can pull, and it will do so reliably. The 5-speed automatic transmission that was optional behind the 5.4L V-8 and standard behind the 6.8L V-10 is particularly desirable for those who are pulling a lot of weight.+**Towing.** Of this there is no dispute; the Econolines are the vehicle you want if you're towing a heavy trailer. Depending on the engine/transmission/axle ratio, the [[https://www.towratings.net/model/e-350+van|E-350 can tow up to 10,000lbs]], almost //twice// what a Transit can pull, and it will do so reliably. The 5-speed automatic transmission that was optional behind the 5.4L V-8 and standard behind the 6.8L V-10 from 2005 onwards is particularly desirable for those who are pulling a lot of weight.
  
 ====Econoline Weaknesses==== ====Econoline Weaknesses====
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 **Build Quality.** The vans were built quickly and cheaply, and while the drivetrain and mechanical parts are reliable the interior fit-and-finish leaves a LOT to be desired. Sound deadening/insulation is almost nonexistent. Squeaks, rattles, engine & wind noise are a daily part of life in an E-Series, and while these //can// be mitigated to a limited extent they will never have the tight and quiet feeling of a modern vehicle. The final generation (2009-2014) is //slightly// better but not by much. **Build Quality.** The vans were built quickly and cheaply, and while the drivetrain and mechanical parts are reliable the interior fit-and-finish leaves a LOT to be desired. Sound deadening/insulation is almost nonexistent. Squeaks, rattles, engine & wind noise are a daily part of life in an E-Series, and while these //can// be mitigated to a limited extent they will never have the tight and quiet feeling of a modern vehicle. The final generation (2009-2014) is //slightly// better but not by much.
  
-**Amenities.** There aren't any. Even things like very basic cruise control are a rarity. None came with backup cameras, forget about blind-spot detection or heated seats or power-folding mirrors. Even power seats weren't offered+**Amenities.** There aren't any. Even things like very basic cruise control are a rarity. None came with backup cameras, forget about things like bluetooth or blind-spot detection or power/heated seats or power-folding mirrors.
  
 The good news is that they're very easy to put aftermarket head units into, so you can at least get some tunes going through the (terrible) speakers that are in the door and no where else. The good news is that they're very easy to put aftermarket head units into, so you can at least get some tunes going through the (terrible) speakers that are in the door and no where else.
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 See the [[rv:van_issues#ford_e-series|Known Issues]] page for details. See the [[rv:van_issues#ford_e-series|Known Issues]] page for details.
  
-**The 6.0L and 6.4L diesel engines should be avoided at all costs.** $5,000+ repair bills //are to be expected// especially on vans that spent a lot of time idling (ambulances), or once they get above 120,000 miles. See [[rv:diesel|The Problems with Diesel]]. (The 7.3L diesel engine, by comparison, can reliably last for 500,000+ miles) 
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-The 4R70E 4-spd transmission (found behind the 4.6L V-8 gas engine from 2002-2005) is weak. They're fine for light duty, but cannot handle a lot of weight. It's advised to not tow more than a few thousand pounds with them, and keep your interior build-out lightweight. The E4OD (found behind the larger gas engines of the 90s and early 2000s) and 4R100 are acceptably durable, while the 5R110W (optional for the 5.4L V-8 and standard for the 6.8L V-10) is preferred if you've got a very heavy build or are towing. 
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-The E-150 vans were very under-built for their weight spec, and eat brake and suspension components regularly. The E-250 and E-350 vans are much tougher, and are generally recommended if you're doing all but the most minimal metal-tent usage. 
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-The blower motor controller (for the interior HVAC system) will fail every few years.  
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-The vans are prone to rust, especially if used in colder climates with salted roads. It is highly recommended to seek vans from southwestern/desert areas. 
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-The modern gas engines (4.6L V-8, 5.3L V-8, and 6.8L V-10) had very weak spark plug threads and were extremely easy to strip out.  And because they couldn't be torqued into the cylinder head very tightly, it wasn't uncommon for the spark plugs to work their way loose and eventually be fired out of the engine with enough force to leave dents in the bottom of the hood. This was mitigated in the last generation (2008), however replacing spark plugs on these engines is still a delicate process and should ALWAYS be done using a very accurate torque wrench. Spark plugs should be torqued to the Ford specification AND NOT A SINGLE INCH-POUND FURTHER. 
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 ===== Quirks ===== ===== Quirks =====
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 The vans are not difficult to steal; a flat-head screwdriver and //maybe// a hammer is all that's needed to punch out a door lock.  There's no computer chip in the keys, so if someone can turn the ignition cylinder by force (again not hard, screwdriver and maybe pliers), the engine will start.  It is **highly recommended** to install a hidden kill switch (the start relay and/or fuel pump relays are popular), and to reinforce your door locks with kits such as the [[https://jimmijammer.com/Product,%20JJ.htm|Jimmy Jammer]]. The vans are not difficult to steal; a flat-head screwdriver and //maybe// a hammer is all that's needed to punch out a door lock.  There's no computer chip in the keys, so if someone can turn the ignition cylinder by force (again not hard, screwdriver and maybe pliers), the engine will start.  It is **highly recommended** to install a hidden kill switch (the start relay and/or fuel pump relays are popular), and to reinforce your door locks with kits such as the [[https://jimmijammer.com/Product,%20JJ.htm|Jimmy Jammer]].
  
-The 4.2L V-6 (used from 1997–2003) is barely able to keep up with traffic, and so under-powered that it's almost dangerous if you have any weight in the van at all. It usually gets //worse// gas mileage than the V-8s, because you're constantly having to floor it just to keep moving.  +The 4.2L V-6 (used from 1997–2003) is barely able to keep up with traffic, and so under-powered that it's almost dangerous if you have any weight in the van. It usually gets //worse// gas mileage than the V-8s, because you're constantly having to floor it just to keep moving.  
  
 The 4.6L and 5.4L V-8s are acceptable, and the 6.8L V-10 is quite potent and makes short work of mountain passes and steep inclines. The 4.6L and 5.4L V-8s are acceptable, and the 6.8L V-10 is quite potent and makes short work of mountain passes and steep inclines.
  
-The 2008 model year (and newer) got //much// better & stronger brakes than prior years.  The 2009+ interiors are a bit more modern feeling as well. +The 2008 model year (and newer) got //much// better brakes than prior years.  The 2009+ interiors are a bit more modern feeling.
 ===CNG/Propane conversions=== ===CNG/Propane conversions===
  
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 Unfortunately, the companies that made these conversion kits are long since out of business which means that spare parts and manuals/support are nonexistent. Plus you're limited to running on Propane/CNG, which is getting harder and harder to find. Unfortunately, the companies that made these conversion kits are long since out of business which means that spare parts and manuals/support are nonexistent. Plus you're limited to running on Propane/CNG, which is getting harder and harder to find.
  
-Converting the vans back to run on gasoline involves replacing the entire intake, fuel system, engine computer and wiring harness. You'd need almost an entire donor van worth of parts to do it, because trying to buy the needed parts one-by-one would bankrupt most small nations.+Converting the vans back to run on gasoline involves replacing the entire intake, fuel system, engine computer and wiring harness. You'd need almost an entire donor van worth of parts to do it, as trying to buy the parts one by one would be prohibitively expensive.
  
 Because of these problems it's generally best to avoid these vans, as they're going to be far more trouble than they're worth. Because of these problems it's generally best to avoid these vans, as they're going to be far more trouble than they're worth.
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